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As you wonderful people are so clever at finding things, and seem to love a challenge, I wonder if anyone would like to look into this problem for me -

Amy Carr 1817-1850 m Joseph Forster 1817, son of John Foster 1792 and Dinah 1793. In the 1851; their son and daughter, William 1847-1927, and Mary Ann 1845 (Foster was transcribed as Souter), were living with their uncle and aunt Thomas and Mary Brown, both born Bexley, Kent, 1805 and 1807 respectively.

John Foster's brother Joseph 1805-1869 had son William Godfrey 1829-1904 who married Sarah Maria Standen 1828-1876 (my great grandparents).

Sarah Maria's parents were Thomas Standen 1800 and Elizabeth Brown 1805.

I am trying to work out if there is a relationship between Uncle Thomas Brown 1805, and Elizabeth Brown 1805. I believe Elizabeth was born in Chelsfield, Kent, and she married Thomas in 1824 at St Mary, Lewisham.

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I accept this may be an impossible task, but if anyone is interested and willing to delve into it I'd love to hear from you.

Many thanks,

Jan

for ref
1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Halfway Street, Bexley, Dartford, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Brown Head Married Male 46 1805 Ag Lab Bexley, Kent, England
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Mary Brown Wife Married Female 44 1807 - Bexley, Kent, England
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Mary A Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Bexley, Kent, England
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Richard Brown Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Ag Lab Bexley, Kent, England
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Mary Ann Toster Niece - Female 4 1847 Scholar Bexley, Kent, England
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William Loster Nephew - Male 3 1848 Scholar Bexley, Kent, England
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James MacDonald Lodger Unmarried Male 24 1827 Gardener Scotland

Toster and Loster are new ones on me, I thought Souter was bad enough :-)

Thomas
Last name Brown
Baptism year 1804
Baptism date 21 Oct 1804
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Parish St Mary
Place Bexley
County Kent
Country England
Document reference PA 23 1A 4
Archive Bexley Archives
Record set Kent Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms


Elizabeth Brown
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Mar 1805
Christening Date (Original) 20 MAR 1805
Christening Place CHELSFIELD,KENT,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Brown
Mother's Name Sarah
Citing this Record

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

or
Thomas Brown
Residence Place Chelsfield, Kent, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 05 Jul 1807
Christening Date (Original) 5 Jul 1807
Christening Place Chelsfield, Kent, England
Birth Date 07 Jun 1807
Father's Name Thomas Brown
Mother's Name Mary
Citing this Record

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

have you found thomas and elizabeth in the census ?

I haven't found Thomas and Elizabeth in any census returns unfortunately.

I assume the Bexley Thomas Brown is the one in the census, so far as the Chelsfield one is concerned, the parents are different from the ones for Elizabeth. Why couldn't they have a more unusual surname?

I have spent hours trying to sort this out. My husband used to ask me why it mattered, but I am sure you all understand why it does.

trouble is brown is such a common name the chancews are they are not related, just a coincidence


Joseph Brown

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
22 June 1800
BEXLEY, KENT, ENGLAND
father:
Joseph Brown
mother:
Jane

Ann Brown

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
19 November 1797
BEXLEY, KENT, ENGLAND
father:
Joseph Brown
mother:
Jane

possible siblings

who were elizabethe parents

Now I'm wondering if I even have the correct Elizabeth. The marriage to Thomas Standen was at St. Mary's Lewisham, and it says Spinster of this parish.

So would someone born in Chelsfield be of the parish of Lewisham?

I haven't been able to pinpoint Thomas Standen at all, there are so many in various parts of Kent (even assuming he was born in that county). though again in the marriage record it says he is Of this parish.

The only definite fact I have is from Sarah Maria's christening record, which shows her parents as Thomas Standen and Elizabeth. Thomas and Elizabeth Brown were married in the same church as Joseph Forster and Mary Ann Copper, who were William Godfrey's parents. William Godfrey married Sarah Maria Standen. So from that I assumed, rightly or wrongly, that Elizabeth Brown was Sarah Maria's mother.

Name: Thomas Standen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Jul 1824
Marriage Place: Saint Mary,Lewisham,Kent,England
Spouse: Elizabeth Brown
FHL Film Number: 307679, 307680

daughter
Name: Sarah Standen
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1849
Marriage Place: Bexleyheath, Kent, England
Chapelry: Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Bexleyheath

Father: Thomas Standen
Spouse: William Forster

so thomas was still alive as not markeed as deceased
resident of this parish only means residing there at time marriage

nothing in documents to indicate where she came from
sorry

Yes, that is what I have assumed to be correct.

In census returns after Sarah Maria Standen married William Godfrey Forster, her place of birth is given as Sydenham; her christening record gives her address as Shooters Hill, Plumstead.