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You mean James & Jane? (not James and Elizabeth?)

Hi I now have a copy of the death of Jane Gallagher

Death 13/1/1866 Merry Street, Motherwell
Wife of James Gallagher Coalminer (Informant)
parents James Coil Labourer and Jane Lynch (Deceased)

Both James and Elizabeth died of Lyphus Fever

Ian

Oops! I was typing while ArgyllGran was posting Jane's death. :-)

Well Ian now we know that Jane didn't remarry as she predeceased James. It also gives a reduced timescale for Jane's death. It now looks as Elizabeth was "adopted" by another family as she would only have been about 7 years old when she was orphaned. Who was the informant on James's death certificate please?

It also would explain why we aren't find Elizabeth and her brothers together on the 1871 census.

Yes- very Wow! Great stuff :-D

So now we know we won't find the children with their parents

Death -

COIL - also registered as Gallagher
JANE
40
mms LYNCH
1866
639/ 10
Dalziel

Excellent!

So Jane died 1864-6.

Hi
Re this Death note
This is the James Gallagher we are looking for certificate gives him has widower of Jane Coil Informant Patrick Devlin neighbour
Death:
JAMES GALLAGHER
Age: 50
Year of death: 5/2/1866 Bailes Land, Motherwell
Ref: 639/ 33
RD Name: Dalziel

Afternoon AG. This was the census I was referring to (FMP transcription)- so it may be that that death isn't our James:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Glenhead, Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland

James Gallagher Head Married Male 46 1815 Coal Miner Ireland
Eliza Gallagher Wife Married Female 53 1808 - Ireland
James Hart Step Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Coal Miner Ireland
James Kelly Boarder Unmarried Male 22 1839 Coal Miner Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland
Eliza Callohon Grand Child Unmarried Female 6 1855 - Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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There also seem to be a few variations in spelling of Gallagher- Gallacher which doesn't help.

Can't find any of the family in 1871, either as Gallagher or as Russell - unless their birthplace wasn't recorded accurately in censuses.

Unfortunately, Gallagher is a very common name, as are all their first names.

I had wondered about that 1866 death, AQ.

On Ancestry, I don't see any James Gallagher in Dalziel in 1861, except a child born 1860.

The only James married to Eliza and born Ireland, showing in Ancestry, lived in Govan.

Ian- it is strange- and there could be various reasons as to why there is the Gallagher/ Russell name change- but the Elizabeth Gallagher birth fits both time and place of birth. It also seems likely, given Thomas registered both his brother's and mother's death using the surname Gallagher that he knew of her previous name.

So now we have to try and establish what happened to the Gallaghers (I'm struggling to find any of them). It might be that they died and Elizabeth was brought up by a family named Russell, or perhaps someone in the family was in trouble with the law and they all changed their names to avoid association. Elizabeth's mother may have re-married Mr Russell.... Like I said there could be many reasons. All this is further complicated as they also have Irish links which are more difficult to follow during the years we need.

Just in case it's of any use the birth certificate for Elizabeth's brother John in December 1860 gave the address as New Stevenston, Holytown. When her brother Thomas was born on 25th October 1864 Dalziel, the address was given as Baillies Land, Motherwell.
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Given that brother Thomas was born in Dalziel, there is this possible death for her father James (I don't have any credits to view):

Death:
JAMES GALLAGHER
Age: 50
Year of death: 1866
Ref: 639/ 33
RD Name: Dalziel

(However- there is a James Gallagher in Dalziel in 1861 census, married to Eliza- both born Ireland, but no sign of the Gallagher children with them. The above death might relate to this James)

RG answered that yesterday:

"The only possibility that I can think of is that James Gallagher died and Jane remarried a Mr. Russell and Elizabeth took her stepfather's name. "

But we can't see any marriage (so far) of a Jane Gallagher/Kyle/Coyle to a James Russell, so it's just a reasonable guess.

Or maybe James changed his name, or was sometimes known as Gallagher and sometimes as Russell, for some reason.

Hi

Just viewed marriage and death certs for Thomas Baxter (Allan) 1907 and 1965
on both certs mother Lizzie Russell

Ian

Hi

Strange
Why would Lizzie Russell / Gallagher
On both her marriage clearly but parents James Russell and Jane Kyle
yet Thomas Baxter but's Elizabeth's parents James Gallagher and Jane Coyle on her death certificate.

Ian

Hi
Re Andrew's Death note should read he died in Glasgow Road, Dennyloanhead

Ian

Hi
Andrew.s death cert shows brother Thomas Baxter same address as when Thomas reg his mother

Ian

Just reading through the thread. Ian you posted that Lizzie's son Andrew died in 1926:

'Death 1926 Glasgow parents Andrew Baxter & Jane Gallagher'

Who was the informant on Andrew's death certificate?

Who was the informant on Lizzie's death certificate in 1946?
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Falkirk Herald 16 March 1946

Deaths
BAXTER- At 6 Park Avenue Dennyloanhead, on 9th March 1946, Elizabeth Baxter, aged 88 years.
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Falkirk Herald 13 March 1948

In Memoriam
BAXTER- In loving memory of my dear mother, Elizabeth Russell, died 9th March 1946, in her 88th year. - Inserted by her son and family. 17 Park Avenue, Dennyloanhead.

(looks like he placed the same memoriam every year)

Well done, RG and AQ, finding Andrew's death.

Lateral thinking is one of the joys of family tree research!

Wow amazing finds AustinQ, rootgatherer and ArgyllGran

lots of new family data for me to work on.

regards
Ian

RG- I only added to the information you'd already found. It was a great find and will certainly save a few credits on SP.

I did wonder if the Andrew on the valuation roll was a son- or perhaps they were not updated.