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No havnt looked on freebmd for Barrie, didnt know I could do that.

Which Arthur, there are a few, my g grandfather 1882 to 1961 son of the missing
James Thomas Potter, can give you exact dates if needed.

The other problem with the family is that there are so many of them, and so many of them with the same name I've never known anything like it.

Have you looked on freebmd for Barrie's birth?

If, as you say, his grandparents are Martin - that must be his mother's maiden name

The only marriage on freebmd for Isaac Martin to Eliza A is in 1870, which seems much too far back

When/where was ARTHUR born?

The trouble is that the Potter/Jenkins/Martin/Thomas/Stafford/Williams (and on and on and on) family is massive, there are lots and lots of my relatives on Ancestry, many of them copy the others. The only one that I know that you can count on is the Thomas's and Harper, and they dont know. My great grandfather Arthur Potter was dad to the Potter children, like his father before him (James Thomas Potter) I know that for a fact, as one of them is my Nan, and several of the children although elderly now, are still alive. My family is a mine field.

Then G Grandmother Elizabeth, married again, as we now know, and so Jenkins was father to the Jenkins children.

This side of my family has been reasonably easy, as a lot are still alive, its just my G Grandfather Thomas, and one or two others, but given the size of the family the missing bits are quite small in comparison.

I have a cousin Barrie Jenkins, (still alive) and I cant seem to find out who his parents are, his Grandparents are Isaac and Eliza Ann Martin.

His present partner, and also ex wife (they are now back together) is also my cousin, her father is Arthur Martin. This is the reason I dont want to ask him who his parents are. Might be a sensitive area. They both have Isaac and Eliza Martin as their Grand Parents. That is a fact as well. (see what I mean, what a family!!!)

Trying to piece it together is difficult to say the least.

According to a tree on Ancestry, Elizabeth died 06/11/1908, but the same tree has Edward Jenkins as the father of the Potter children, so it clearly hasn't been properly researched.

1901
Name: Edward Jenkins
Age in 1901: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Jenkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Search Photos: Search for 'Ystradyfodwg' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Ferndale and Tylorstown
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 5019
Folio: 37
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Jenkins 37
Elizabeth Jenkins 43
James S Potter 23
Arthur Potter 18
Samuel Potter 16
Charles Potter 14
Edward T Jenkins 11
Mary E Jenkins 9
Priscilla Jenkins 5
Caroline Jenkins 3
David Llew Jenkins 1

Have spoken to 2 of my 2nd cousins and no one has any further information on the whereabouts of James Thomas Potter.

It definatly seems that Elizabeth went on to marry Edward Jenkins in 1889, 2 years after the birth of the last child (Charlie) to James and Elizabeth. Without getting a divorce from James. I am probably not going to get any further with Elizabeth, but still don't know what happened to James Thomas Potter yet.

Have just emailed my 2nd cousin in Australia to see if she knows any more, she is his Grand Daughter, but I am sure she has told me all she knows about him.

Ok Thank you Mel.

I have to go out now.

Marriage

Elizabeth Stafford
21 Aug 1878 • Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Sardis Chapel
James Thomas Potter

(1855–)

Ok Thank you ErikaH.

At the moment, I'm unable to see him after 1881 - got to log off now.

I'm sure someone will find him .....................

No wonder I have been having trouble putting it all together.

I had just assumed that James died/ vanished or went to prison after Charles.

Elizabeth Stafford's mum was Mary Pricilla Williams.

Well, well,

Name: Edward Jenkins
Registration Year: 1889
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Pontypridd
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 790
Records on Page:
Name
William Davies
Letitia Evans
Edward Jenkins
Elizabeth Stafford


Looks like she was a bigamist.....................otherwise, she'd have married as Potter

??

Name: Elizabeth Stafford
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Stafford
Gender: Female
Where born: Camban, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Llantrisant
Town: Cymmer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 5381
Folio: 11
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Stafford 36
William Stafford 14
Mary Hannah Stafford 12
Elizabeth Stafford 10
Thomas Stafford 8
Allen Stafford 6
Charles Stafford 3
Harriet Thomas 51
William Stafford 14

This part of the family is so complicated, my gg grandfather has half siblings with the surname of Jenkins.

Also I have in my records Elizabeth Stafford (Williams) 1860-1908, I wondered where the Williams came from.