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You are right with all those postings, I don't have FMP so I didn't have the baptisms, so thank you for those.

There are 2 Samuel Potters, the one you posted above who died in WW1. He was my 2x Great Uncle.

The other Samuel Potter 1823 to 1889, was my 3x Great Grandfather, he was in the Metropolitan Police. Its his son Thomas James Potter 1855 to ???? that I am trying to trace.

The last siting I have for him is in the 1881 census, with his wife Elizabeth, the family story is that he left them all and no one heard of him after that, my 2x Great Grandmother Elizabeth then married an Edward Jenkins, she went on to have children with Edward, this part of the tree has a lot of people in it Potters/Jenkins/Martins, they are all related, in fact its so complicated that my own tree on Ancestry is a bit of a mess.

Just for information, the Edith Martin you posted above, was married to the Samuel Potter you posted 1884 to 1916, killed in WW1. they also had 6/7 children before he died, then she married a David Jones Thomas 1881-1948 and had 4 more.

As said above, this part of my tree is huge and complicated, but its 3x Great Grandfather Thomas James Potter 1855 to ???? that we don't know anything about after he disappeared.

Two of my 2nd cousins have been looking for him for about 15 years without success, that's how I got all the copies of there birth/marriage certificates.

Haven't read all through, but there are below Baptisms...(no idea if you have, from FMP)

Chris :)

Potter Charles 1887 — 1892 (27th July 1892) Glamorganshire Baptisms Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales (Born July 1st Jan 1887) (Parents, James Thomas and Bessie, Abode, Ash Terrace, Pentre, Father occ. Stoker)

(at same time)

James Thomas (Born 2nd Jan 1878)
William Walter (Born 28th Oct. 1879)
Arthur (Born 25th Feb. 1882)
Samuel (Born 28th Dec. 1885)

Jenkins Edward Thomas (Born 10th Jan. 1890) (Parents, Edward and Bessie, Abode, Ash Terrace, Pentre, Father occ. Collier)
Jenkins Mary Elizabeth (Born 8th Aug. 1891)

1894 (12th July) Ystradyfodwg
Jenkins Priscilla (Born 9th Sept. 1893) (Parents Edward and Bessie, Abode, 5, Oddfellows Row, Ystrad. Father occ. Collier)

(not seeing Baptism for Caroline)


Edits (seeing Wattstown on below, would have thought those 2 Newspaper References (James Thomas Potter) related)

https://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(also an Arthur Potter, and David Llewellyn Jenkins (pond reference)


1901
Edward Jenkins Head Married Male 37 1864 Insurance Agent Aberavon, Glamorganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jenkins Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Glamorganshire, Wales
James T Potter Step Son Single Male 23 1878 Coal Miner Hewer Llantrisant, Glamorganshire, Wales
Arthur Potter Step Son Single Male 18 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Porth, Glamorganshire, Wales
Samuel Potter Step Son Single Male 16 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Porth, Glamorganshire, Wales
Charles Potter Step Son Single Male 14 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Wattstown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Edward T Jenkins Son Single Male 11 1890 - Wattstown, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary E Jenkins Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Pentre, Glamorganshire, Wales
Priscilla Jenkins Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Caroline Jenkins Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
David Llew Jenkins Son - Male 1 1900 - Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
45, Llewellyn Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire


(notes below Baptism, if Father is the Edward Thomas above)

1912 (4th Jan. 1912) Pontlottyn
Jenkins David Llewellyn, Parents, Edward Thomas and Helen, Abode, 7, King Street, Pontlottyn, Father occ. Collier)

(if below relates)

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Jenkins Edward T Merthyr Tydfil 11a 1287
Mann Ellen Merthyr T. 11a 1287


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Jenkins David L Man Merthyr T 11a 1614

(Newspaper article for Edward Thomas Jenkins a possibility!)


(below possibly his Father, would be on Ancestry)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9739793

(Retirement from Metropolitan Police: Samuel Potter)


Does below War Death relate?, wife Edith Martin, Marriage 1904.

L/Cpl S. Potter Welsh Samuel Potter
Lance Corporal 16833 Welsh Regiment, 10th Battalion.
Died July 12 1916.
Flatiron Copse Cemetery, Mametz, Somme, France, Grave IX. G. 2.


(looking round on google search, 1893 a 'Hauliers Strike'
Enginemen and stokers had their own union... especially Ystradyfodwg which includes most of the Rhondda.)

(was looking to see 'Stoker' in relation to Coal Mining, seeing his occ. on 1892 Baptisms, thought he had joined the Navy, lol)

On his marriage certificate to Elizabeth he has put his name as James Thomas Potter.

1861 and 1871 census's he is Thomas Potter, when with his parents

1881 when with his wife, its James T Potter

I have a copy of his actual birth certificate (that's why I didn't look at the baptism very closely) Its James Thomas Potter

His son Samuel's b/c states Thomas James Potter

His son Thomas James b/c he is stated as just Thomas Potter

His son William Walter b/c he is Thomas James Potter

His son Arthur (my great grandfather) he is stated as Thomas James Potter

He seems to call himself different names, or a combination of his given names

I have a copy of that baptism, and had not noticed the name was Thomas James on it. The address on the record I have for the parents is 19 Chapel Street. States his dob 26th Dec 1855.

His son was Thomas James Potter b 1878.

We did find that Canada death, we thought we had at last found him, but it is not him.

I have a couple of his children's birth certificates I will have a look at them, it will take me a little while because I have collected piles of paperwork

James Thomas was baptised as Thomas James (unless this is a brother ?? ):


Thomas James Potter
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Thomas James Potter
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Feb 1858
Baptism Place: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene, Greenwich, England
Father: Samuel Potter
Mother: Elizabeth Potter
Register Type: Parish Registers


As you mentioned Canada, I'm only posting this death to rule it out:

Thomas James Potter
in the Web: Canada, GenWeb Cemetery Index
Name: Thomas James Potter
Birth Date: 1854
Age at Death: 83
Death Date: 1937
Cemetery: Clinton Cemetery
Burial Place: Huron County, Ontario, Canada

That man was born in Ontario; parents Thomas and Matilda ; wife Fanny.

I know this is a long and quite old thread, but myself and 3 of my cousins are still having difficulty in finding my Great Great Grandfather James Thomas Potter from 1891 onwards.

The first part of this thread is about James Thomas Potter, it does then go on to other family members, but it is James that we have hit a brick wall with.

We know that in 1889 his wife, Elizabeth had married another man, Edward Jenkins, the story in the family is that he abandoned his wife and children and just disappeared.

There was a rumour that he was charged with some sort of theft, and I found a couple of entries in the welsh newspapers, which may or may not be him, there is not enough information to prove it either way, there is also a rumour that he went to Canada.

We have him on the 1881 census with the family, and his last son Charles Potter was born in 1887, then 2 years later Elizabeth had married someone else.

If you are able to give us any help regards his whereabouts from 1891 onwards it would be very greatly appreciated, otherwise he will just have to remain one of those unsolved mysteries.

Thank you in anticipation.

Linda Martin is the daughter of Arthur Samuel Martin 1906-1995

Arthur Samuel Martins parents are:

Isaac Martin 1874-1928
Elizabeth Ann Martin 1946

Barrie Told me he has the same grandparents (as above) Isaac and Elizabeth.

Arthur Potter 1882 to 1961 was my great grandfather
Charity Martin 1883 to 1911, my great grandmother (died in childbirth)

Arthur Martin my great great uncle, believe killed in war.

David L Jenkins my great great uncle drowned in Wales. Think he fell in the pond, the locals were warned of the dangers of said pond. It was a tragic accident.

Name: David Llewellyn Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 7
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 336

Drowned in a pond on Good Friday
D.O.B. 10th May

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
MARTIN Charity Pontypridd 11a 990
POTTER Arthur Pontypridd 11a 990

Name: Arthur Martin
Birth Place: Henley, Lancs
Residence: Pontolttyn, Glam
Death Date: 21 Aug 1915
Death Place: Gallipoli
Enlistment Place: Newport, Mon
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Wales Borderers
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Regimental Number: 13276
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

I will follow Edward T Jenkins as you say, and order a marriage certificate for Linda and Barrie.

Thank you so much ErikaH, you have been a great help.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21 Bryn Terrace Wattstown Ynishir, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales

John James Hansford Head Married Male 53 1858 Portland Dorsetshire Colliery Lampman Aboveground Transcription
Emily Hansford Wife Married Female 46 1865 Neath Glamorgan - Transcription
Mary Ann Hansford Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Ynyshir Glamorgan - Transcription
Thomas John Hansford Son Single Male 17 1894 Ynyshir Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Agnes Hansford Daughter - Female 14 1897 Watts Town Glamorgan - Transcription
Augustus Hansford Son - Male 12 1899 Watts Town Glamorgan School Transcription
David Llewellyn Hansford Son - Male 7 1904 Watts Town Glamorgan School Transcription
Emily Irene Hansford Daughter - Female 2 1909 Watts Town Glamorgan - Transcription
Thomas Hansford Brother Widower Male 47 1864 Portland Dorsetshire Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
William Hansford Nephew Single Male 17 1894 Aberdare Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Edward Jenkins Brother In Law Widower Male 47 1864 Neath Glamorgan Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Caroline Jenkins Niece - Female 13 1898 Pontygwarth Glamorgan -

Deaths Jun 1936 (>99%)
Jenkins Edward T 46 Bedwellty 11a 100

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Union St Pontlottyn, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales

William Blakesly Head Married Male 39 1872 Hanley Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
Elizabeth Blakesley Wife Married Female 40 1871 Ocker Hill Staff - Transcription
William Partridge Son Single Male 19 1892 Great Bridge Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
James Partridge Son Single Male 17 1894 Great Bridge Staff Collier Hewer Transcription
George Blakesley Son Single Male 11 1900 Hedensford Staff - Transcription
Gertrude Blakesley Daughter Single Female 9 1902 Hedensford Staff - Transcription
Elizabeth Blakesley Daughter Single Female 5 1906 Mon Aberty - Transcription
Arthur Blakesley Son - Male 0 1911 Glam Pontlottyn - Transcription
John Shelton Boarder Single Male 17 1894 Mon New Tredegar Collier Hewer Transcription
Nellie Mann Servant Single Female 23 1888 Mon Rhymney -

That Edward is on the 1891 census posted on the 24th, the 1901 census I posted yesterday, and the 1911 just above this...............why don't you follow through on him yourself by verifying his marriage and looking for children using freebmd?

Marriage certs name fathers - if known

They married in JFM 1968, just outside the 50-year limitation, so you could order a copy cert without knowing the actual date

Do you think that the marriage certificate for Barrie Jenkins and Linda Martin would give his parents name. I believe they got married in 1968, would have no doubt been in Wales.

This Edward T Jenkins, 1889, married to Ellen Mann (no DOB)

She says he is the son of Edward Jenkins 1863 and Elizabeth Stafford 1908

Just read an email that came through from my cousin this morning, she has in her records an Edward T Jenkins born about 1889 in Llantristant, Wales, who was born between Charlie 1886 and Mary 1891. Am going to see if I can find our more.

Hi ErikaH,

You are not missing the point at all. About 6 months ago I spoke to both Barrie and Linda and they both told me they had the same grandparents. I thought that very odd, and could not get my head round it. Then I was told that they were once married, to each other, got divorced, Lindas husband died, and then there were rumours that they were back together. (Now confirmed). I pondered it for months, I knew Linda was definatly a relative, but from what Barrie said about his grandparents, I thought he must be related to me to. I am now trying to figure out how. From what you say, I can't see how he can be, unless I am missing something. I could ask Linda who Barrie's parents are/were, but with the "assumed delicacy" of the situation at the time I didnt like to. Maybe that is my only option now.