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I don’t know where I got those names I’m afraid. I thought I’d seen Kathleen Mathias in an entry but going back through my notes and family tree listings I can’t find it. So perhaps they’re not Christopher’s parents at all. If I get the marriage certificate that will give the fathers name. Did they have birth certificates that long ago?
Apologies.
Glyn

Sorry me again. I’m trying to order the marriage certificate for Christopher and Leah but I can’t find a record of it or any reference number. Am I missing something. I’ve found I can’t order a birth certificate for Christopher as records start from 1837. This is GRO site. Should I be trying elsewhere?
Glyn

This is the marriage (it was posted by Andy on page 1). Spelling is Greenway

Volume 26, page 555

Marriages Mar 1850
Davies Joseph Merthyr Tyd 26 555
Davies Lea Merthyr Tyd 26 555 <<<<<<<<
Davies Mary Merthyr T 26 555
Doyle James Merthyr T 26 555
Greenway Christopher Merthyr T 26 555 <<<<<<
Isaac Margaret Merthyr T. 26 555
Morris John Merthyr T 26 555
Richards Catharine Merthyr T 26 555
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The best place to order certificates is the GRO:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Below is the first Birth one one to get...(which of his children are you linking back to?)

Chris :)

Birth
GREENAWAY, CHRISTOPHER (DAVIS)
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 315


Edits (lol at newspaper item, wondering also who is the Prison one 1859?, Larceny)

Well, this is probably where you have seen Kathleen - A family tree on Ancestry??:


Dunn Family Tree Public Member Tree 2 attached records, 3 sources
Name: Christopher Greenaway
Birth: Abt 1823 - Monmouthshire
Parents: Christopher Greenaway, Kathleen Mathias *******
Spouse: Lea Davies

Unfortunately, I have been trying to get into the tree for several days now and I keep getting that stupid little man panning for gold and a message to say the page is temporarily unavailable !!!!

Dea x

Just a point to remember - when ordering a cert from the GRO where the name has been recorded incorrectly - always order it under that incorrect spelling as if you order it with the right spelling they will tell you that it cannot be found which will cause further delay and you may possibly lose the money you have paid!!

So, just order the cert above under Christopher GREENWAY - don't bother mentioning the name of the bride.............

Dea x

Great thank you. Yes I tried the reference fromAndy and it referred me to free bmd. I couldn’t find it on there so I thought I was doing something wrong, but I’ll just order from GRO under wrong spelling and see what happens. Thank you all
I think Chris the larceny 1859 is Christopher’s father Christopher so when young Christopher was also dishonest he was merely following a family tradition!!!
It must have been a hard life back then but no excuses I have thieving ancestors which is interesting. Lol Glyn

Yes Dea

Same here - silly little man it is!

Jude

Yes Chris it’s Christophers son, Christopher I’m related directly to. My great great grandfather. Rest of family interesting and help to get background and more rounded out family picture.
I think the baby who died, John, was their child, born out of wedlock, because Mary was born in 1849 and they married 1850, so it didn’t seem to be a problem with them!

(yes, I was wondering which son of the Christopher Born 1857, that Married Elizabeth Jones)

Chris :)

Electoral registers 1920

(above now on FMP, some Glamorganshire, not all Counties/ Areas covered I don't think though)

Of Christopher’s 3 sons I’m related to Edward. He’s the one who married Dora Withey and on a previous search I had fantastic help to trace her family back on her parents line as I’d drawn a blank.
Is that what you meant Chris?
Glyn

(yes, just wondered, lol)

Chris :)

Edits (below came up)

England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920 (Find My Past)

Enoch Greenaway 1920 Spring Park P B of Merthyr Tydfil, Merthyr Division Glamorganshire

(28, Glebeland Street, with Catherine, William James)


1911 (Find My Past)
Enoch Greenaway Head Married Male 48 1863 Glamorgan Abergavenny Miner Hewer
Catherine Greenaway Wife Married Female 39 1872 Glamorgan Merthyr -
Enoch Greenaway Son - Male 16 1895 Glamorgan Pontypridd Miner Hewer
William Greenaway Son - Male 13 1898 Gl Pontypridd School
Edward Greenaway Son - Male 5 1906 Gl Pontypridd School
Beatrice Maud Greenaway Daughter - Female 10 1901 Gl Pontypridd School
Catherine Greenaway Daughter - Female 2 1909 Gl Abercynon
52 Miskin Road Mountain Ash, Llanwonno, Glamorganshire,
(says Married 8yrs, 8 children born, 6 living, 2 died)


1901
Enoch Grinaway Head Married Male 32 1869 Abercynon, Glamorganshire, Wales Coalminer Hewer
Catherine Grinaway Wife Married Female 30 1871 Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales
Leah Grinaway Daughter Single Female 12 1889 Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales
Enoch Grinaway Son Single Male 6 1895 Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
William J Grinaway Son Single Male 3 1898 Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Beatrice M Grinaway Daughter Single Female 0 1901 Abercynon, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mary A Gethis Visitor Widow Female 53 1848 Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales
2, Lock Y Waun, Treharris, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire


Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Greenaway Catherine Merthyr T. 11a 729
Greenaway Enoch Merthyr T. 11a 729


Birth
GREENAWAY, ENOCH (DAVIS)
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 294


Birth
GREENAWAY, LEAH (GETTIS)
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 526

(possible for her 1901)


Birth
GREENAWAY, ENOCH (GETHIS)
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 521

GREENAWAY, WILLIAM JAMES (GETTIS)
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 498

Birth
GREENAWAY, BEATRICE MAUD (GETTIS)
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 547

Birth
GREENAWAY, CATHERINE (GETHIS)
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 596


Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Gitthis Catherine Merthyr T 11a 919
Greenway Samuel Merthyr T. 11a 919


1891
Samuel Greenaway Head Married Male 20 1871 Glamorganshire, Wales Coal Miner Pontlottyn, Glam.
Catherine Greenaway Wife Married Female 19 1872
Leah Greenaway Daughter Single Female 2 1889
Mary A Curtis Mother Widow Female 38 1853 Glamorganshire, Wales
(on image underneath) (Enoch Greenaway (28 Lodger Coal Miner) Pontlottyn, Glam.
Fifteenth Row, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire,

(not his Brother is it?)...

Edits (adds apology, reading back AQ has added 1891 earlier)


(see Enoch in newspapers 1907/8!)

Thanks for all that extra information Chris. Certificates ordered so may get more info from them when they arrive.
You know you said You had sources for newspapers . . I asked for help from the newspaper archives in Wales about my uncles death and they weren’t very helpful.

My family and I were at home when I was young and on the local news we heard about his death, and that was the way my Dad learnt about his brothers death. No phones at home in those days so it was on the news before we heard by post. I wondered if you could just look and see if you can find a record of it in the newspapers. I don’t know for certain if it was in any local paper but it was on the news as I said.
His name was Henry Edward Christopher Greenaway ( but known as Ted). His death was 23rd August 1963. He was operating a crane that touched overhead electrical wires and he was killed instantly. He lived in Ynysybwl as far as I remember, so that’s Glamorgan.
If you’re busy then no problem, but I thought Id ask
Thanks
Glyn

Sorry Glyn, Welsh newspapers online, only look to go to about 1919...(you would need relevant archives to search)

Edits (if you didn't know of his address, see below 1964)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

Chris :)

Thanks Chris for telling me, so when I’m next in Glamorganshire I’ll have to find where the newspapers are held. It was a slim chance.
Glyn

Well not much success I’m afraid. GRO came back that they couldn’t find Christopher’s birth certificate.
The marriage certificate for Christopher and a Leah came today, and neither parent is filled in.
So I guess that’s the end of that lead to try and find Christopher’s father.
Any other ideas please? I was really disappointed with the marriage certificate
Glyn

Morning Glyn, is there anything at all written in the box for father's names. Are there other clues on the marriage certificate? Addresses/ Witnesses?
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Is this the birth certificate you ordered?

Birth
GREENAWAY, CHRISTOPHER (DAVIS)
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 315

Very unusual that it can't be found when the volume and page number are present.

You could order the birth certificate direct from Merthyr Tydfil registry office.
https://www.merthyr.gov.uk/resident/births-deaths-marriages/copy-certificates/

No neither parent is on marriage certificate Austin Q. I think Argyll Gran is correct that Leah’s father is John Davies because he is on the form as a witness to the marriage, although not listed as any relation to Leah. The other witness is Mrs Bower or Bowen whoever that might be!!!!

Yes that’s the birth certificate, and I put all the references in. They emailed back to say it couldn’t be found.
This birth certificate will only tell me Christopher senior and Leah are the parents won’t it, not who Christopher seniors parents are.

Pontypridd library holds all the archived newspapers for the area. They've looked things up for me in the past and emailed me the articles. The man dealing with this is Hywel Matthews and is very helpful indeed.


Annie