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3 Apr 2018 12:03 |
No - that Thomas in 1851 is probably this one:
Thomas Pennington in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Thomas Pennington Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 24 Birth Date: 1831 Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1855 Marriage Place: St. Thomas, Ashton-In-Makerfield, Lancaster, England Father: James Pennington Spouse: Alice Harrison [ father: Peter Harrison ] FHL Film Number: 1885660 Reference ID: p 123, no 245
At first I thought I'd found the reason why "our" Thomas and Mary hadn't married, but it appears he's just a different Thomas.
Alice Harrison in the 1851 England Census Name: Alice Harrison Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Peter Harrison Mother's name: Jane Harrison Gender: Female Where born: Haydock, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ashton in Makerfield County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Upholland ED, institution, or vessel: 1j Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 123 Piece: 2201 Folio: 411 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Peter Harrison 55 Jane Harrison 56 Alice Harrison 21 William Harrison 17
Alice Penington in the 1861 England Census Name: Alice Penington [Alice Harrison] Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: 1830 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Penington Mother's name: Jane Harrison Gender: Female Where born: Haydock, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Monks Coppenhall Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Crewe County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Nantwich Sub-registration district: Wybunbury ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 144 Piece: 2615 Folio: 121 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Penington 31 Alice Penington 31 Mary Jane Penington 6 Harry Penington 2 Elizabeth Penington 5/12 Jane Harrison 67
They together all the way to 1901 at least, then Alice is a widow by 1911.
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3 Apr 2018 11:27 |
Mary in 1851:
Mary Littler in the 1851 England Census Name: Mary Littler Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Richard Littler Mother's name: Ellen Littler Gender: Female Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Windle Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: College Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 4e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 132 Piece: 2195 Folio: 660 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Richard Littler 36 Ellen Littler 35 Mary Littler 15 Richard Littler 11 Ellen Littler 1
It does look as if they didn't marry. No marriage to be found between 1851 and 1861 when she's Pennington with two children. (Or 1856 when James was born.)
Thomas in 1851, just for the record:
Thomas Pennington in the 1851 England Census Name: Thomas Pennington Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Son Father's name: James Pennington Mother's name: Mary Pennington Gender: Male Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Windle Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 39 Bridge Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 51 Piece: 2195 Folio: 520 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age James Pennington 47 Mary Pennington 47 Thomas Pennington 21 Ann Pennington 19 Alice Pennington 15 Mary Pennington 12 James Pennington 7
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3 Apr 2018 10:02 |
Thomas and the sons were born in St Helens - Mary was born in Ashton, according to 1861 and 1871 censuses
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3 Apr 2018 09:47 |
Not the Warrington marriage
Marriage: 7 Jan 1855 St Paul, Warrington, Lancashire, England Thomas Pennington - of full age, Labourer, Bachelor, Winwick St. Mary Atherton - (X), of full age, Spinster, Winwick St. Groom's Father: James Pennington, Labourer Bride's Father: Robert Atherton, Joiner Witness: Thomas Darden; Ann Darden Married by banns by: Tho. Lowe Incumbt. Register: Marriages 1850 - 1855, Page 212, Entry 423 Source: Original Parish Register
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2 Apr 2018 21:18 |
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Fleet Lane, Parr, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Thomas Pennington Head Married Male 50 1831 Eccleston, Lancashire, England Colliery Manager Transcription Elizabeth Pennington Wife Married Female 50 1831 Wigan, Lancashire, England Colliery Manager Wife Transcription William Wells Son In Law Married Male 25 1856 London, Middlesex, England Pointsman Transcription F J Wells Daughter Married Female 21 1860 Eccleston, Lancashire, England Pointsman Wife Transcription M E Wells Grand Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Eccleston, Lancashire, England -
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2 Apr 2018 21:18 |
On second thoughts - no that's not your Thomas in 1891 -
Cecilia Alice Gildes [ GREEN ] in the 1911 England Census Name: Cecilia Alice Gildes [Cecilia Alice Green] Age in 1911: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: St Helens Civil Parish: St Helens County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 49 Morgan Marital Status: Married Occupation: Clothing Agent Registration district: Prescot Registration District Number: 456 Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 54 Piece: 22808 Household Members: Name Age William Green 56 Martha Margaret Green 56 Cecilia Alice Gildes 28 Elizabeth A Green 9 Harry Fildes 1
Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%) Green William Ormskirk 8b 932 PENNINGTON Martha Margaret Ormskirk 8b 932
Martha M Pennington in the 1871 England Census Name: Martha M Pennington Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Pennington Mother's name: Elizabeth Pennington Gender: Female Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Sutton Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Household schedule number: 61 Piece: 3866 Folio: 101 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Pennington 46 Elizabeth Pennington 45 Martha M Pennington 16 Frances J Pennington 11
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2 Apr 2018 21:04 |
Is this a 2nd marriage for Thomas to Elizabeth ?
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2 Apr 2018 20:57 |
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Thomas Pennington in the 1891 England Census Name: Thomas Pennington Gender: Male Age: 59 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1832 Spouse: Elizabeth Pennington Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Sutton Residence Place: St Helens, Sutton, Lancashire, England Sub registration district: St Helens ED, Institution or Vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3026 Folio: 79 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Pennington 59 - colliery manager Elizabeth Pennington 60 - born Wigan Thomas Green 16 -grandson Cecilie A Green 8 - grand-daughter
GREEN, CECILIA ALICE mms PINNINGTON GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 806
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2 Apr 2018 20:44 |
PENNINGTON, AGNES LITTLER Order GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 727
PENNINGTON, ALFRED LITTLER Order GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 661
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2 Apr 2018 20:43 |
Thanks for the information that's really helpful, are there any records for Thomas after 1871 ?
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2 Apr 2018 20:37 |
Mary Pennington in the 1891 England Census Name: Mary Pennington Gender: Female Age: 56 Relationship: Mother Birth Year: 1835 Child: David Pennington Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Windle Residence Place: St Helens, Windle, Lancashire, England Sub registration district: St Helens ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3019 Folio: 55 Household Members: Name Age David Pennington 31 -head Mary Pennington 56 - mother Agnes Pennington 15 - sister Alfred Pennington 18 - brother Richard Littler 78 - grandfather <<<<<<<<<<<< Elizabeth Littler 66 - grandmother <<<<<<<<<<<<
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2 Apr 2018 20:31 |
? bit of a long shot
Marriage: 7 Feb 1853 St Paul, Warrington, Lancashire, England Thomas Atherton - of full age, Waterman, Bachelor, Mount St. Mary Littler - (X), of full age, Spinster, Golbourn St. Groom's Father: Henry Atherton, Waterman Bride's Father: John Littler, Labourer Witness: Thomas Snelson; Alice Snelson Married by Banns by: Edward Coupland, Curate Register: Marriages 1850 - 1855, Page 124, Entry 248 Source: Original Parish Register
Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%) ATHERTON Mary Warrington 8c 127 Pennington Thomas Warrington 8c 127
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2 Apr 2018 20:31 |
As far as I know they were living in St Helens, I have James born c1857 and David c1860 but the census records can differ, but his wife is listed as Mary in the 1871 census
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2 Apr 2018 20:24 |
Not these then
Baptism: 18 Nov 1855 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England James Edward Pennington - [Child] of Thomas Pennington & Jane Abode: Gorton Occupation: Engine Driver Baptised by: R. Bassnett Rector Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1867, Page 147, Entry 1172 Source: LDS Film 2113170
Baptism: 1 Aug 1858 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England David Pennington - [Child] of Thomas Pennington & Jane Abode: Gorton Occupation: Engine Driver Baptised by: R. Bassnett Rector Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1867, Page 173, Entry 1381 Source: LDS Film 2113170
appear to be this couple?
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lincoln Terrace, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Pennington Head Married Male 58 1803 Engine Driver Worsley, Lancashire, England Transcription Jane Pennington Wife Married Female 45 1816 - Lancashire, England Davis Pennington Son - Male 2 1859 - Gorton, Lancashire, England
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2 Apr 2018 20:16 |
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PINNINGTON, JAMES LITTLER Order GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 455
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: PINNINGTON, DAVID LITTLER Order GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 500
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
LIDDELEY Mary Manchester 8d 459 PENNINGTON Thomas Manchester 8d 459
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2 Apr 2018 20:15 |
Yes this is correct, they were living in St Helens in 1871 and Mary was living with her son in 1881
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2 Apr 2018 20:14 |
PENNINGTON, JAMES EDWARD BROOKES Order GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 432
PENNINGTON, DAVID BROOKES Order GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 438 Order
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2 Apr 2018 20:08 |
Can you post the 1871 census details please or give location.
ok this one?
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Top Sawney, Sutton, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Thomas Pennington Head - Male 41 1830 - Lancashire, England Mary Pennington Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lancashire, Engla James Pennington Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England David Pennington Son - Male 11 1860 - Lancashire, England
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2 Apr 2018 20:07 |
You don't say where they lived, but I assume this is the family?
Thomas Pennington in the 1871 England Census Name: Thomas Pennington Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Pennington Gender: Male Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Sutton Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: St Helens County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 190 Piece: 3866 Folio: 134 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Pennington 41 Mary Pennington 36 James Pennington 14 David Pennington 11
Mary Pennington in the 1861 England Census Name: Mary Pennington Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Pennington Gender: Female Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Helen Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 196 Piece: 2748 Folio: 55 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Pennington 30 Mary Pennington 25 James Pennington 4 David Pennington 2
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2 Apr 2018 19:59 |
Hi Thomas was my grandma's grandfather, he appears with his wife Mary in the 1871 census and children James and David, In the 1881 census Mary is a Widow but I have been unable to find death records for Thomas or a Marriage record for Thomas and Mary, could anyone help with this ?
Thanks June :-)
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