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Thanks everyone.

Appreciate all the assistance and advise.

Cheers from Downunder
David

I can only believe that it is an error in the index...and the only way to find out is to purchase the certificate

Jude

Well if that marriage cert names her father as George Rogers then you will know if it the same lady somehow using the name Hopekinson.plus it will give her marital status at the time of marriage , i.e. Spinster .widow etc

I really would be inclined to get that marriage cert

By the way the release of the 1921 census is in question .it was shelved through lack of money to do the transcriptions

(adds below, in case of, but as stated, you need to see 1904 Marriage Cert.)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(can be ordered from above £9.25)

Chris :)

Rogers Edith Elizabeth — 1879 (January 28) Staffordshire Baptisms Biddulph, St Lawrence, Staffordshire, England (Find My Past)
(George/Sarah, occ. Merchants Clerk)


Staffordshire marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Birks
Age 26
Birth year 1849
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 07 Sep 1875
Marriage place Biddulph, St Lawrence
Denomination Anglican
Residence Whitemore Cottage
Father's first name(s) George (occ. Farmer)
Father's last name Birks
Spouse's first name(s) George (occ. Clerk)
Spouse's last name Rogers
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's residence Trentham
Spouse's father's first name(s) Philip (occ. Miller)
Spouse's father's last name Rogers
County Staffordshire
(wits. P. Rogers, Elizth. Ann Rogers)


Warwickshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Edith Elizabeth
Last name Goodacre
Age 37
Residence Lonsdale Stratford Road Shirley
Birth year 1879
Burial year 1916
Burial date 21 Jan 1916
Denomination Anglican
Place Shirley

Hi Shirley

We do not have the marriage certificate unfortunately only the records in BDM 1904 and as such we have no parental names at this time to confirm. Richard Goodacre son of Hilda M Goodcare 1909 is the only surviving Goodacre family member we have any contact with at this time and he is in NZ .

The 2021 Census will hopefully assist in some respects however this is 3 years away.

As you say if it is Rogers, Edith Elizabeth in the 1901 census then who is Edith Elizabeth Hopekinson in the marriage in 1904. I wonder if this is a written or typing and or data entry error??? Can happen as you know.

Family from word of mouth say it it Rodgers which corresponds to the death certificate of Hilda. Unfortunately there is only 1 person still alive today Richard with any information and his is quite vague on what he has.

We will work on other siblings of Edith Elizabeth and their families and hope some contact can be made and to shed some light on the situation. Siblings have been identified along with their spouses and in some cases their children.

Cheers
David

Hi Chris

Happy Easter To All.

Yes the father is the dilemma!

The marriage details in 1904 of create the confusion whether the maiden name is Rogers or Hopekinson.

Marriages Mar 1904
Goodacre Edward Birmingham 6d 172
Hopekinson Edith E Birmingham 6d 172

Investigating if Hopekinson may have been a married name from a previous marriage however the age and window as indicated by Jude makes this look unlikely but not impossible.

At this stage nothing has come to light.

David

(ah right!, couldn't understand that other 1989, lol)

Chris :)

So who was Father of Edith on that 1904 Marriage then?...

Hi All

Greetings from Australia and thank you for all your quick responses.

I can confirm the following.

1 Edward was married twice. Julia Russell his first wife died in 1901 during childbirth. Julia is my cousins great grandmother. Norman and Elsie are from this marriage.

2 Edward then married again in 1904 as discussed above to Edith Elizabeth.

3 Hilda Marriane Goodacre died in NZ where she married late in life and we do have the copy of the death certificate which clearly indicates that Rogers was her mothers maiden name.

4 I do also lean towards Edith Elizabeth Rogers born in Newcastle Under Lyme 1879.

Cheers
David

Have pm'd David asking him to come back to the thread

Jude

No Chris, that's the only 1989 death I can find (as Goodacre)

So the 1989 death is not her....

Jude

Seeing below?...(Death reference given below)

(Further to confuse we have the death certificate for Hilda Marriane Goodacre who died in 1989 which states her mothers maiden name was also Rogers.)

Chris :)

Goodacre Hilda 1910 1989 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Find My Past)

Birth day 23
Birth month 9
Birth year 1910


1939 Register (Find My Past)

68 Irving Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire,
Hilda M Goodacre 13 May 1912 (also on image 13/5/09) Female Saleswoman Demonstrable Single
Alice M Gibbs (Goodacre) 06 Jan 1916 Female Order Clerk (Despatched) Single Edward Goodacre 30 Jun 1865 Male Harness Maker Heavy Worker Widowed


Deaths Mar 1954 (>99%)
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Goodacre Edward 88 Birmingham 9c 380


1939

46 Sherlock Road , Coventry C.B., Warwickshire,
Hilda Goodacre 23 Sep 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
John R Goodacre 17 Mar 1912 Male Coach Builder Apprentice Carpenter Sectional Builder Married

(her Maiden Name, Wilson)

(or, is there another 1989 Death?)


Edits (saw below FMP)

Warwickshire Burials Transcription

First name(s) Julia
Last name Goodacre
Death year 1901
Burial year 1901
Cemetery Witton Cemetery
Place Birmingham, Witton Cemetery

(also)

First name(s) Minnie
Last name Goodacre
Death year 1904
Burial year 1904
Cemetery Witton Cemetery
Place
Birmingham, Witton Cemetery

Shirley this is the marriage that David refers to

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Goodacre Edward Birmingham 6d 172 Scan available - click to view
Hopekinson Edith E Birmingham 6d 172 Scan available - click to view


Jude

Oops that'll teach me to refresh!

This is the marriage of her parents

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
Birks Sarah Congleton 8a 424 Scan available - click to view
Rogers George Congleton 8a 424 Scan available - click to view

I think this is George's death

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Rogers George 39 Stoke T. 6b 144 Scan available - click to view

Sarah was with Edith E in 1901 as a widow and still as Rogers as was Edith.

So there is a very small window for the name change before she married Edward in March quarter 1904!

Jude

Would say Edward was "married "twice

Marriages Jun 1896
Goodacre Edward Birmingham 6d 297
Russell Julia Birmingham 6d 297

So the elder children are from that marriage

Maybe Edith just lived with him and was known as his wife

No idea on below (as she came up!)

Chris :)

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1878

ROGERS Edith Elizabeth Newcastle-under-Lyme Newcastle-Under-Lyme NUL/49/081

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Birth
ROGERS, EDITH ELIZABETH (BIRKS)
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UNDER LYME Volume 06B Page 68

(possible?)

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
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Birks Sarah Congleton 8a 424
Rogers George Congleton 8a 424


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875

ROGERS George BIRKS Sarah Biddulph, St Lawrence Newcastle-Under-Lyme 4C

(FMP has quite a bit Staffs. Parish Records)


1881 (Find My Past)
George Rogers Head Married Male 28 1853 Trentham, Staffordshire, England Accts Clerk
Sarah Rogers Wife Married Female 32 1849 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England -
George Philip Rogers Son Single Male 4 1877 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England -
Edith E Rogers Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England -
Percy M Rogers Son Single Male 0 1881 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England
Whitemoor Cottage, Biddulph (Stafford), Congleton, Staffordshire,


1901
Sarah Rogers Head Widow Female 52 1849 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England -
George P Rogers Son Single Male 24 1877 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England Steam Engine Fitter
Percy M Rogers Son Single Male 20 1881 Biddulph, Staffordshire, England Postal Clerk
Samuel H Rogers Son Single Male 13 1888 Congleton, Cheshire, England School
Edith E Rogers Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England
Dora D Rogers Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Congleton, Cheshire, England School Teacher
Alice A Rogers Daughter Single Female 9 1892 Congleton, Cheshire, England
9, Park Terrace, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire,

For ref:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
94 Granville St Birm'M, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Edward Goodacre Father Married Male 45 1866 Boston Lincolnshire Saddler
Edith Elizabeth Goodacre Mother Married Female 32 1879 Newcastle Un Lyme Staff -
Norman Goodacre Son - Male 12 1899 Birmingham Warwick School
Elsie Julia Goodacre Daughter - Female 9 1902 Birmingham Warwick -
William Slight Goodacre Son - Male 5 1906 Birmingham Warwick -
Edith Laura Goodacre Daughter - Female 4 1907 Birmingham Warwick -
Hilda Marianne Goodacre Daughter - Female 1 1910 Birmingham Warwick -
Jessie Elizabeth Goodacre Daughter - Female 0 1911 Birmingham Warwick
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Births:

GOODACRE, NORMAN RUSSELL
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 77

GOODACRE, ELSIE JULIA RUSSELL
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 84

GOODACRE, MINNIE ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 94
(Minnie died 1904)

GOODACRE, WILLIAM SLIGHT ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 67

GOODACRE, EDITH LAURA ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 158

GOODACRE, HILDA MARIANNE ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 171

GOODACRE, JESSIE ELIZABETH ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 168

GOODACRE, ALICE MARY ROGER
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 1381
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Edith's maiden name certainly seems to be Rogers. Do you have the 1904 marriage certificate? Was Edith widowed? Who is listed as Edith's father?

Possible Christening:
Name: Edith Elizabeth Rogers
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Jan 1879
Baptism Place: Biddulph, Stafford, England
Father: George Rogers
Mother: Sarah

Edith E Goodcare

The 1911 Census shows Edward Goodacre with Edith age 32 born in Newcastle Under Lyne and the children in Birmingham.

Edith Elizabeth Goodacre died in 1916 from what we believe during child birth. The birth records of Aice M Goodacre 1916 show her mothers maiden name was Rogers.

Marriage records located show that Edith E was married in 1904 to Edward Goodacre. Her maiden name was Hopekinson. This was Edward Goodacre's second marriage after the death of his first wife Julia in 1901.

Further to confuse we have the death certificate for Hilda Marriane Goodacre who died in 1989 which states her mothers maiden name was also Rogers.

I am unable to locate a marriage between an Edward Goodacre and an Edith E Rogers.

Any light on the above to assist would be greatly appreciated please? We need to confirm the maiden name of Edith Elizabeth. Was it Hopekinson or Rogers?? I have hit a brick wall or missing something simple.

Thanks

David