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Thanks Dea

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/blog/2013/06/28/waaf-aiding-the-war-effort-and-helping-to-change-the-social-status-of-women

(below if her, you need to register)

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/11575767/florence-jacques-allan-royal-air-force-royal-air-force/

Chris :)

You not only need to register, but need to pay a sub to see all the details - monthly £8.95 or annual £48.95.
BEWARE that subs renew automatically unless you cancel.

However, with basic free registration, it says her Service Number was 2112758, record year: 1942, unit: RAF.

With that info, you could send for a copy of her RAF record. You'd also need to send a copy of her death cert. with your application - -

https://tinyurl.com/gph5frz

It costs £30, and will take a couple of months or so to arrive

(ah!, thankyou AG, we learn something every day here, lol)

Chris :)

From my personal experience I found that the War Forces Records site was a total rip off - I once paid for a month's membership and found that there was no more detail on any of the records I looked at than was freely given as basic name and number type details on many other sites.

There were many other people who commented that they had found exactly the same.

Dea x

Thanks for the warning, Dea.
I've never bothered with more than the basic registration.
I don't like the way the site implies that free registration is all you need.
It's only once you've registered, and are expecting to see the records, that you find you're not really any further forward until you pay up!

And not even then, from what you say!

Thanks guys. I'll be looking into this again tomorrow. I really do appreciate all the information and help

Expensive business this family research :-)

Well, I received the death certificate. Unfortunately her address was a care home. And the informant had the same address, so someone from there rather than a relative.

Although I'm no further forward with learning what happened to her in the intervening years between 1948 and her death, the marriage certificate I ordered was very useful for researching her ancestors on her father's side. Her mother is as elusive as her!

I'll look into the possible third marriage next.

Thanks all

Is this her mother in 1911? (Based on marriage location)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Moor Edge Farm Shiremoor, Earsdon, Northumberland, England

George Henry Thomson Head Married Male 46 1865 Northumberland Earsdon Farmer Transcription
Dorothy Thomson Wife Married Female 46 1865 Northumberland Earsdon - Transcription
Albert Thomson Son Single Male 19 1892 Northumberland Earsdon Farmers Son Working On Farm Transcription
Dora Thomson Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Northumberland Earsdon Farmers Daughter Dairy Work Transcription
Thomas Thomson Son Single Male 14 1897 Northumberland Earsdon School Transcription
Norman Thomson Son Single Male 12 1899 Northumberland Earsdon School Transcription
Henry Thomson Son Single Male 8 1903 Northumberland Earsdon School Transcription
Lester Thomson Son Single Male 6 1905 Northumberland Earsdon School Transcription
Lilian Thomson Daughter Single Female 3 1908 Northumberland Earsdon School Transcription
Elizabeth Jacques Servant Single Female 20 1891 Northumberland Earsdon General Servant Domestic Transcription
Charles Carr Servant Single Male 16 1895 Northumberland Shields Mlk Lad On Farm

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Duke Street, Shiremoor, Earsdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

William Jacques Head Married Male 40 1861 Northumberland, England Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Jane Jacques Wife Married Female 40 1861 Gosforth, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Mary A Jacques Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Gosforth, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Sarah J Jacques Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Elizabeth Jacques Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Andrew Jacques Son Single Male 8 1893 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
John Jacques Son Single Male 6 1895 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Nellie Jacques Daughter Single Female 4 1897 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
Minnie Jacques Daughter Single Female 3 1898 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England - Transcription
William Jacques Son Single Male 1 1900 Shiremoor, Northumberland, England


Her father's name will be on her marriage cert.

Incidentally, this awakens a few memories for me - my stepmother was born at Shiremoor, and is on the 1911 census there!


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Jacques Head Married Male 30 1861 - Coal Miner Transcription
Jane Jacques Wife Married Female 30 1861 - - Transcription
Mary A Jacques Daughter Single Female 7 1884 - Scholar Transcription
Sarah A Jacques Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Scholar Transcription
Elizabeth Jacques Daughter Single Female 1 1890 - - Transcription
Emma Jacques Daughter Single Female 0 1891

JACQUES, ELIZABETH FERGUSON Order
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 267

Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
Ferguson Jane Tynemouth 10b 292
Jacques William Tynemouth 10b 292

You'll need Elizabeth's marriage cert to verify.....................

This could be Florence's sister in 1939

Day Household (2 People)
24 Flat Old Nelson Street , Lowestoft M.B., Suffolk, England

Bertie Day 08 Nov 1910 Male Fisherman Married 21 1
Betty (Elizabeth J) Day 11 Jun 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 21 2

Based on her birth - and this marriage

Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)
Day Bertie E W Marshall Tynemouth 10b 695
Marshall Elizabeth J Day Tynemouth 10b 695

He is a year out with his birth - as per freebmd

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
Day Bertie Ernest W Mutford 4a 1103

First name(s) BERTIE ERNEST W
Last name DAY
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 11
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1978
District Waveney
County Suffolk
Volume 10
Page 3611

Thanks ErikaH. I'm struggling with her mother because on her marriage certificate her father is Luke and her date of birth would be about 1884. The only Elizabeth I can find in the censuses with a father called Luke in that area has a birth date that is very wide of the mark. Unless she lies about her age on the marriage certificate to make herself seem much older? Her husband is in his 30s on the marriage certificate so perhaps she didn't want to seem too young for him? Not sure. It's also possible she wasn't living with her father in 1891, another reason it would be tricky to find her. Any advice much appreciated.

Does the marriage cert give Luke's occupation.

And who were the witnesses?


I assume this is the Elizabeth you have found?

Elizabeth Jane Jacques
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Jane Jacques
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Earsdon, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Holywell
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 16 Middle Row Bates Cottages
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Whitley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 30802
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Jacques 46 - coal miner
Charlotte Jacques 42
Florence Jacques 16
Elizabeth Jane Jacques 14
Emily Jacques 12
Charlotte Jacques 9
Lilian Alexandra Jacques 2


Elizabeth J Jacques
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth J Jacques
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Luke Jacques
Mother: Charlotte Jacques
Birth Place: Earsdon, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Holywell
Ecclesiastical parish: Earsdon St Alban
Town: Holywell
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Earsdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4810
Folio: 152
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Jacques 36
Charlotte Jacques 32
Mary A Jacques 14
Florence Jacques 6
Elizabeth J Jacques 4
Emily Jacques 2


Elizabeth Jane Jacques
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Jane Jacques
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 282


BUT she can't be the right one - she died unmarried:

Elizabeth J Jacques
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elizabeth J Jacques
Death Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1897
Registration Date: Sep 1921
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 292

What is her address on the marriage certificate? And father's occupation.

Are there any clues gained from the witnesses of the marriage:

For ref:
name(s) ELIZABETH JACKS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1912
Spouse: William B Marshall
District Tynemouth
County Northumberland
Volume 10B Page number 480

Thanks Argyll Gran. That means I can forget about Elizabeth Jane then.

The two witnesses were as follows:

R Hindmarsh
John L Longlass

I believe R Hindmarsh is her husband's step or half brother who he is living with in the previous census. I haven't searched for Longlass.

Luke's occupation is a collier - lots of them around in the north east. It's all I know about him.

Both William and Elizabeth have the same address so were already living together so not sure this will be helpful information. They were living at 36 Tyne Street, where my grandmother is eventually born.

Thanks both, for taking the time to respond and help me out.

No record anywhere of John L Longlass

36 Tyne st - where, please?

Giving the same address when marrying didn't necessarily mean living together - it was often a ruse to avoid paying for more than one set of Banns

36 Tyne Street - not sure if this is related? EDIT: address was Longstaff residence, see Ag's post below.

Newcastle Evening Chronicle 11 August 1915

An Uncanny Experience:

Writing to his sister, Mrs Marshall of 36 Tyne Street, Newcastle, Private Tom Daley says- The place where Dad was wounded is now described as 'hell on earth' as the Germans are using fire- liquid on us with disastrous results....
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Newcastle Journal 11 August 1915
ROLL OF HONOUR
Casualties in Northern Regions

Private Edward Daley of 36 Tyne Street, Newcastle has been wounded in the left thigh and slightly gassed.

Re John L Longlass -

???

John Longstaff
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Longstaff
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Usworth, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Tynemouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 36 Tyne Street North Shields <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 30746
Household Members:
Name Age
John Longstaff 34
Selina Longstaff 24
John William Longstaff 4
George Longstaff 2