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Can you tell us which Census, and where you have found this?...

Chris :)

(seems a bit confusing, all these Samuel's!)

Chris Ho great link??
He's the right age for my g grandfathers brother Samuel...
I have found a Samuel right age on the census with a wife and daughter. The daughter year of birth is one year after my g grandfathers birth....plus living in vicinity of my g g grandmother (his ex wife)...cannot find any birth records for the daughter ??

Well could be, if age is wrong...(see him on below Crew list)

Chris :)

http://marinersandships.com.au/1893/10/112gha.htm


https://collection.maas.museum/object/461044

(photo of Ship above)

https://tinyurl.com/ycot8hdg

(not a Royal Navy vessel)

(articles of 'Ghazee' arrival in Australian newspapers, 'record time from Hong Kong', carrying cargo, and now loading with wool, bound for London)

On FMP - no idea if relevant, as age is not given, and I don't have access to the record


Powder Samuel — — 1893 New South Wales Passenger Lists New South Wales, Australia

Several GR members have a Samuel Powder born London c1852 in trees, so perhaps they know something which hasn't been unearthed by researchers on here.

Or - they could be guessing, of course

Try sending messages - good luck

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I see you have him in your tree as having been born in 1856.

Was looking at those earlier. James Henry married her Sister, Adaline...

(he was Steward Deceased, 1901, and 1904 Ships Steward (no mention of Deceased on that one) don't think anybody knew!, looking at other children Marriages, Ancestry, London)

Chris :)

http://search.jerripediabmd.net/

(saw Truscott Baptisms on above, didn't see any reference Powder, tried Podger, Podester in case, also)

It may be that he was not born in the UK . As a Ship Steward, he could have been on shore leave when he met his wife.

The witnesses to the marriage all had the surname MARTIN, so no help there

Mary Hannah in 1911.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
185 Balaam Street Plaistow E, West Ham, London & Essex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Smith Head Married Male 64 1847 Kent Dartford Carpenter
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Mary Smith Wife Married Female 55 1856 Jersey -
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Lily Simmons Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Poplar London Dressmaker
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William Simmons Son Single Male 15 1896 Poplar London Tea Weigher


Samuel certainly is an enigma. Whilst his later seafaring life may explain why he can't be found on later census records, he should turn up on earlier ones.
Even his father, Samuel Powder, a shopman, can't be found. He is not mentioned as being deceased on the MC (I know this doesn't mean he wasn't) but you would think that some reference to him would show. :-S

A wife in every port? ;-)

Divorce was rare & expensive, but bigamous or common law marriages were not unknown.

Have you considered that he might have jumped ship in some far flung country? It’s a pity we haven’t found him on a crew list. That way we’d have a good chance of working out their destinations.

Thank you.
I do have this info but Samuel has disappeared...I’ve found some Powders about the right age in the workhouse and asylum but just not certain same man.
The story is he died at sea and thus my g grandfather was born posthumously...sometimes I wonder if that’s a crock as maritime records are normally accurate...I’ve also tried to find a divorce from Mary but to no avail...it really is a mystery...there is a Samuel on the census up in Liverpool after the time of his alleged drowning...love a mystery ????

He seems to have materialised out of nowhere to get married and father his children, then disappeared without trace.

Name: Mary Hannah Simmons
[Mary Hannah Truscott]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 48
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1856
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1904
Marriage Place: St Leonard St Mary, Bromley, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Truscott
Spouse: George Reynolds Smith
Register Type: Parish Register

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Name: Samuel Powder
Year: 1883 -1887
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Poplar
Reference Number: MR/PER/B/058
Address: 35, Ashton Street

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ashton Street, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mary Simmon Wife Married Female - - London, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Samuel Powder Son - Male 16 1875 Jersey, Channel Islands Shop Assistant Transcription
Jane Powder Daughter - Female 14 1877 London, Middlesex, England Scholar Transcription
Henry Powder Son - Male 10 1881 London, Middlesex, England Scholar Transcription
Joseph Simmonds Nephew - Male 4 1887 London, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Andrew Martin Nephew Single Male 19 1872 Poplar, Middlesex, England General Labourer


Name: Mary Hannah Powder
[Mary Hannah Truscott]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1856
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1887
Marriage Place: All Saints, Poplar, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Truscott
Spouse: Elenezer Simmons
Register Type: Parish Register

The family is on many trees on Ancestry with photos.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
39, Ashton Street, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mary Powder Head Married Female 24 1857 Jersey, Channel Islands -
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Samuel Powder Son Single Male 5 1876 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Scholar
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Mary Powder Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Scholar
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Jane Powder Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Poplar, Middlesex, England -
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Henry Powder Son Single Male 0 1881 Poplar, Middlesex, England -
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Adeline Truscott Mother Married Female 47 1834 Canterbury, Kent, England Dressmaker
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Harriet Truscott Sister Single Female 17 1864 Poplar, Middlesex, England Dressmaker Shop Assistant

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Baptism of Samuel William Powder to give a lead on his father

Samuel William Powder
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1874
Baptism Place: Poplar All Saints, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Samuel Powder
Mother: Mary Hannah Powder

102 Stainsby? Rd.
Father a ships steward.

That might be why you can’t find him

This one?


Samuel Powder
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name:
Samuel Powder
Gender:
Male
Record Type:
Marriage
Marriage Date:
8 Jul 1873
Marriage Place:
St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, England
Father:
Samuel Powder
Spouse:
Mary Hannah Truscott
Register Type:
Parish Register

He's a ship steward, his father a shopman, her father William Truscott a ship carpenter.
He's full age, she's 17.

Hello
I’ve hit a wall with the father of Samuel Powder(c1874).
My “brick wall” Samuel Powder was married to Mary Truscott.
Hope this helps my cause ??

This appears to be the family of the one you have in your tree:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
78 East Road West Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Samuel William Powder Head Married Male 37 1874 London Poplar Insurance Agent
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Kate Powder Wife Married Female 34 1877 London Poplar Machinist
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Samuel William Powder Son - Male 11 1900 London Hampstead Scholar
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Edith Kate Powder Daughter - Female 9 1902 Essex Manor Park Scholar
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Ernest Powder Son - Male 5 1906 Essex Plaistow Scholar
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Albert Edward Powder Son - Male 3 1908 Essex Plaistow -
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Doris Eveline Powder Daughter - Female 1 1910 Essex West Ham -


What is it you want to find out about re this family?

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