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Can anyone help me, I have traced my father's tree back to 1791c. I think they were Gypsies living in Ivy Lane Shoreditch London. Could anyone help me with finding more information of the family or of the gypsy community.
Thank you Edith Owen

To little information I,m afraid

What exactly are you hoping for . You say you have traced back so wil have more info on the family

:-)

Occupation:
Navle Nentioner

Naval Pensioner??

Thanks for info. I have got info. from 1851 & 1841 census but would like to get more info. about the gypsy community from that time.
Edith

1851 with occupations - they don't look like occupations a gypsy family would have.

Ivy Lane, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

William Ashton Head Married Male 61 1790 Naval Pensioner Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Sarah Ashton Wife Married Female 53 1798 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
James Ashton Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Dyer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Samuel Ashton Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Envelope Cutter Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Henry Ashton Son - Male 15 1836 Blacker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Transcription
John Ashton Son - Male 11 1840 At Home Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Transcription
Robert Baldwin Son In Law Married Male 31 1820 Labourer Oxfordshire, England
Susan Baldwin Daughter Married Female 32 1819 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Robert Baldwin Grand Child - Male 10 1841 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Samuel Baldwin Grand Child - Male 7 1844 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Alfred Ashton Son - Male 9 1842 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

1841 - this census does not show relationships & ages for adults are 'rounded'

Ivy Lane, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Ashton Male 50 1791 Middlesex, England
Sarah Ashton Female 40 1801 Middlesex, England
Susan Ashton Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
Mary Ashton Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
William Ashton Male 15 1826 Middlesex, England
James Ashton Male 14 1827 Middlesex, England
Samuel Ashton Male 11 1830 Middlesex, England
Henry Ashton Male 5 1836 Middlesex, England
John Ashton Male 1 1840 Middlesex, England
- Ashton Female 3mth 1841 Middlesex, England
- Ashton Female 8day 1841 Middlesex, England

Assuming John's birth was registered, this is probably it from the free search on GRO

ASHTON, JOHN mothers maiden name HULLAM
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 385

Sarah Hallam
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Sarah Hallam
Gender: Female
Record Type: Married after Banns
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1816
Marriage Place: Christ Church, City of London, England
Spouse: William Ashton from the parish of St Leonard Foster
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses Edward Hallam & Henry Hallam

Thank you for your help.
Edith

Perhaps you could give details of the 'gypsy' you're sure about & we could trace back to see if we agree. Many (pairs of) eyes are better than one!

All I am certain about is the Ashton family as above are my ancestors and they were gypsies from Ivy Lane in Shoreditch.Thanks again for your help
Edith

There's a copy of Sarah's DC on Ancestry.

Died 17 Jun 1867 at 6 Ivy Lane
Age 75
Widow of William Ashton, a Mariner.
Cause of death Apoplexy (certified)
Registered by James Ashton (x his mark) present at the death.
His residence, 6 Ivy Lane, Hoxton
Registrar - George Pearce Junior - dated 22 Jun 1867

Looking at things Romany google search, below...(there are Family History websites for them)

Below came up...

http://theromany.weebly.com/1881-hawkers-born-middlesex.html

(1881 Hawkers Born Middlesex:)

William Ashdown, Bc 1824 London St Giles, London, Middlesex, England Inmate St Pancras, London

Alfred Ashton Elizabeth, Bc 1843 London, London, Middlesex, England Head St Leonards Shoreditch, London

Chris :)

1881 (Find My Past)
Alfred Ashton Head Married Male 38 1843 City of London, Middlesex, England Hawker
Elizabeth Ashton Wife Married Female 32 1849 City of London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Ashton Daughter Single Female 12 1869 City of London, Middlesex, England Scholar
William Ashton Son Single Male 10 1871 City of London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Amy Ashton Daughter Single Female 6 1875 City of London, Middlesex, England Scholar
5, Mansfield Street, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex


Birth
ASHTON, AMY ROSE (MORGAN)
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 146


Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Ashton Alfred Shoreditch 1c 303
Morgan Elizabeth Matilda Shoreditch 1c 303


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931 (Ancestry)

Hackney St Mary, Haggerston (1st Jan. 1865)

Elizabeth Matilda Morgan
abt 1845 (Age 20, Spinster, Father, Thomas Morgan (Deceased) occ. Carpenter. Residence, 7 Ivy Street, Hoxton)
Alfred Ashton (Full Age, Bachelor, occ. Fishmonger, Father, William John Ashton (Deceased) occ. Mariner. Alfred Residence, I Ivy Lane, Hoxton
(wits. Henry Ashton, Elizabeth Witt)


(Henry and Elizabeth seem to be in previous Household on 1881)


Death
ASHTON, WILLIAM (68)
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 158

(if William above)


1861 (Find My Past)
Sarah Ashton Head Widow Female 60 1801 Housekeeper Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Sarah Ashton Daughter Unmarried Female 43 1818 Servant Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
James Ashton Son Widower Male 33 1828 None Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
John Ashton Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Book Cutter Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Alfred Ashton Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Potman Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
James Ashton Grandson - Male 7 1854 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Betty Ashton Granddaughter - Female 3 1858 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Susan Ashton Granddaughter - Female 0 1861 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Robert Baldwin Son In Law Married Male 40 1821 Printer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Susan Baldwin Daughter Married Female 41 1820 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Robert Baldwin Grandson Unmarried Male 20 1841 Bricklayer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Samuel Baldwin Grandson Unmarried Male 16 1845 Costermonger Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Susan Baldwin Granddaughter - Female 10 1851 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
6, Ivy Lane, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex


Birth
ASHTON, ALFRED (HALLAM)
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 397

(Baptism on Ancestry, London. Born (15th Sept 1842) Abode, Ivy Lane)


(Not sure on things 'Gypsy' looking at occupations!, and from other queries we have dealt with on Romany/Traveller folks, they travelled round quite a bit!)

I’m wondering if the Romany site has just looked for occupations which ‘gypsies’ might have undertaken & made an assumption.
A few of my relatives are listed on census as Hawkers or Dealers & were definitely not Romany Gypsies!

Edith, what evidence do you have that your Ashton’s were Gypsies? Could you have picked up on the wrong family?

Information I have has come from my father when he was alive and confirmed by other family members. I have also spoken to some Romany gypsies who have told me the Ashton family split in the past and one of them moved to Shoreditch on a site in Ivy Lane. My grandfather was born in Shoreditch and all the evidence of names and places ties up with the above records.
Thank you for all the help, some of the information you have found on other family members I didn't have.
Edith

This might be of interest for background, regarding the Romany family 'Buck' in St Leonard Shoreditch around the time you are looking at,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=551127.0

A copy of the DC for the William Ashton who died in 1857 is on Ancestry

19 Dec 1857 @ 59 Mary Street
Age 68
Occupation Greenwich Pensioner
Cause - Disease of the Heart, long standing (certified)
Informant Sarah Ashton (x her mark) present at the death.
Resident of 59 Mary Street, Shoreditch
Registered on 24 Dec 1857
Registrar Nathaniel Bowring

Although there were several William Ashton's born within a few years of each other, could this be his baptism?

William Ashton
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 May 1792
Baptism Place: St Giles in the Fields, Holborn, Camden, England
Father: John Ashton
Mother: Mary Ashton

Unfortunately the image is just a list of names & dates with no indications of occupations.

Thank you all who are helping me.
Edith