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1851 James at home Bury St with Richard and Maria
1861 26,Bury St Over Darwen Lancs at home with Richard and Maria

1871 Cog Lane Habergham Eaves lancs with Betty + Fred
1881 15,Hapton Street Haberghan Eaves Burnley with Betty and Friend, James and Ralph.

Maryb.

Erica i haven't got a copy. But will try and contact cousin who has the original certificate . I seem to remember though that father wasnt on. :-S

Ah. So sometimes,towning sometimes townend and Townsend . Great detective work. I will have to get in contact with my cousin to see if Ann,s fathers name appears on the wedding cert . Or i may have a copy in my files somewhere ..will check now ..its a,long time since we started researching this bit of our tree and as been off work after op thought I'd try and get past the brick wall with help of the amazing people on here . :-)
Great that at last i can try get more details of betsy and James though . <3
Thought though that no father,was shown on cert for Ann hurst and Thomas Duxbury wedding ...

A check of that on below (for Mother Maiden Name)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

Birth
TOWNEND, RALPH (HIRST)
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 222

Chris :)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878

TOWNEND Ralph HIRST Burnley Preston BU/121/17

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Richard Townsend 1805 married Maria Entwistle

They had James Townsend 1845.

1871
James Townsend 25
Betty 29
Fred 3months
Nancy Duxbury a Boarder age 21

1881
James Townsend
Betty
Friend Townsend born 1871 mum nee HIRST
James 1875 Barnsley Yorkshire mum nee HIRST
Ralph 1877

So I think this is your James and Betty Towning.
What do you think?

Maryb.

The PR states that Ann Hurst’s father’s names are on the cert, but does not record them. What are they, please?

And I'm beginning to think that maybe towning is not the correct name ..maybe downing ..not sure what else it could be ?

A cousin has the Thomas and Ann hurst cert from 1844. There is nothing extra on it that's not shown here :-)

Yes. Sorry Erica ..forgot about that ..betsy not born until 1843. Thought betsy and James maybe went abroad or died ..can find no trace of deaths for them :-S

Marriage: 18 Aug 1844 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Thomas Duxbury - (X), 20, Labourer, bachelor, Daisy Green
Anne Hurst - (X), full, Weaver, spinster, Daisy Green
Groom's Father: John Duxbury, Weaver
Witness: James? Carter, (X); Nancy Duckworth, (X)
Married by banns by: W. H Tatam
Notes: [deceased written underneath bride's father's names]
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1865, Page 17, Entry 34
Source: LDS Film 1470816

This cert should prove informative

Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)

DUXBURY Thomas Blackburn 21 53
HURST Anne

Yes it says oswaldtwistle. For betsy,s birth. No father listed . But don't think I've ever managed to find Ann on the 1841 census and couldn't find betsy after 1867 or James towning i don't think. :-)

You can't find Betty in 1841 - she wasn't born

1841 doesn't record birthplace info - only the County

Her birth from Lancs BMD - 1844

HURST Betty HURST Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/5/30

For INFO

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barrons Style, Oswaldtwistle, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Oldham Head Married Male 25 1826 Coal Miner Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Isabella Oldham Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Henry Isherwood Lodger - Male 1 1850 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Isherwood Lodger Unmarried Female 25 1826 Power Loom Weaver Calico Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Duxbury Lodger Married Male 31 1820 Out Door Laborer Rishton, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ann Duxbury Lodger Married Female 38 1813 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Betty Duxbury Lodger - Female 7 1844 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Richard Duxbury Lodger - Male 5 1846 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mark Duxbury Lodger - Male 3 1848 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England

It said oswaldtwustle i think but unable to find either Ann hurst or betsy in 1841 .still....its a brick wall I think :-S oops just realized woukdnt find betsy anyway ...it's making me more brain dead than normal. :-S

1851 census should show birthplace info

Well not sure ..this is what I'm trying to discover. Her mum was Ann hurst who married Thomas Duxbury. They married in 1844 in oswaldtwistle but Anne already had betsy out of wedlock. On the census of 1851 they are in iswaldtwistle and betty is named Duxbury but she was married to James towning under her birth name which was hurst. :-)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352398?d=desc

(Betsy on above)

Chris :)

Where was Betsy born?

Marriage: 28 Dec 1867 Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
James Towning - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Wood Top
Betsy Hurst - (X), 24, Carder, Spinster, Bank Street
Groom's Father: Richard Towning, Firebeater
Witness: Richard Duxberry, (X); Hannah Duxberry
Married by Certificate by: Edward B. Trotter
Notes: [Bride's father not named]
Register: Marriages 1864 - 1870, Page 126, Entry 252
Source: LDS Film 1526143