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27 Feb 2018 10:33 |
I have been looking for any trace of William Smith before he was married in Gunton Church Lowestoft 25Dec 1897 to Anne Emma Smith on the wedding record his Father is Joseph Smith a fisherman . Birth 14 June 1871 Blundeston Norfolk mothers name Harrert Smith no name for the father ?
Anne Sarah Smith birth 14 July 1874 Corton Suffolk mother Sarah smith father Robert Smith Any help with Williams father Joseph will be great David
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27 Feb 2018 10:59 |
Looks like William's mother married a 'Mr. Hales' :
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Fullers Cottage, Warren Road, Hopton, Mutford, Suffolk, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Start free family tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William George Hales Head Married Male 27 1854 Oulton, Suffolk, England Farm Lab Transcription Harriet Hales Wife Married Female 29 1852 Lound, Suffolk, England Farm Lab Wife Transcription William Smith Son Single Male 9 1872 Blundeston, Suffolk, England Scholar Transcription Herbert Hales Son Single Male 0 1881 Hopton, Suffolk, England -
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27 Feb 2018 11:00 |
Welcome to the boards David
His birth registration - for our info.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: SMITH, WILLIAM GEORGE - Order GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 04A Page 734
The district Mutford spans the boundaries of the counties of Suffolk and Norfolk; The RD covers Blundeston
The omission of a Mothers maiden name from this index, usually indicates that no Father was named at the time of registration.
Later at marriage he may have "named" a Father to make things look better. Sometimes it can be a Grandfather's name who might have been close/an older brother/ the man his Mother married and that he knew as Father etc
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27 Feb 2018 11:01 |
is this william in 1881 Name: William Smith Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relationship to Head: Son Father: William George Hales Mother: Harriet Hales Gender: Male Where born: Blundeston, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Hopton County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Warren Road Fullers Cottage Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Mutford Sub registration district: Gorleston ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1908 Folio: 77 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William George Hales 27 Harriet Hales 29 William Smith 9 Herbert Hales
WILLIAM Last name HALES Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1873 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ WILLIAM HALES married Harriet Smith District Mutford District number - County Suffolk Country England Volume 4A Volume as transcribed 4A Page number 1128
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27 Feb 2018 11:04 |
Herbert Hales born c1880 had mothers maiden name as 'Smith' so again this implies that Harriet was single when she had William:
HALES, HERBERT SMITH Order GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 04A Page 830
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27 Feb 2018 11:08 |
harriett in 1861 Lound, Mutford, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Smith Head Married Male 37 1824 Labourer Agricultural Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription Naomi Smith Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription Harriett Smith Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription William Smith Son - Male 9 1852 - Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription Martha Smith Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription George Smith Son - Male 5 1856 - Lound, Suffolk, England Transcription Georgiana Smith Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Lound, Suffolk, England
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27 Feb 2018 11:10 |
Marriage of William Hales to Harriet
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%) HALES William Mutford 4a 1128 SMITH Harriet Mutford 4a 1128
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27 Feb 2018 11:17 |
William and Harriet in 1891, but no William Smith
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription High Street, Blundeston, Mutford, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Hales Head Married Male 38 1853 Suffolk, England Farm Labourer Harriet Hales Wife Married Female 41 1850 Suffolk, England - Herbert Hales Son - Male 10 1881 Suffolk, England - Ellen Hales Daughter - Female 6 1885 Suffolk, England -
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27 Feb 2018 11:27 |
Wondering about this one for William in 1901.
The birth town is where the family were living in 1881 (census). You may well have him placed in 1901, (you say you want to find him pre marriage) but we don't know where, but if this is him, it gives an idea of his occupation to help find him in 1891.
It may indicate he was at sea in 1891 though!
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First name(s) William Last name Smith Relationship Mbr Of Crew Marital status Married Sex Male Age 31 Birth year 1870 Birth town Hopton Birth town as transcribed HOPTON Birth place England Birth place other as transcribed - Birth county Suffolk Birth county as transcribed SUFFOLK Occupation Ch Enginners House name - House number - Street - Town - Parish Paul City - Country England County Cornwall Vessel name Succes Municipal ward Newlyn Registration district Penzance Other household member first name(s) - Other household member last name - Archive reference RG13 Piece number 2252 Folio 146
The original shows a crew of 9. 7 from Suffolk, 1 Norfolk and 1 Yorkshire.
They are drift net fishermen
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Maddie
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27 Feb 2018 11:30 |
herberts baptism Name: Herbert Hales Gender: Male Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1880 Baptism Place: Hopton (near Lowestoft), Suffolk, England Father: William George Hales - labourer Mother: Harriet Hales FHL Film Number: 1471185
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27 Feb 2018 11:39 |
???? Harriet Last name Hales Age 42 Birth year 1851 Death year 1893 Burial year 1893 Burial date 12 Jul 1893 Church St Mary Denomination Anglican Place Blundeston County Suffolk Country England
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27 Feb 2018 11:43 |
harriets father George Last name Smith Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1825 Baptism date 30 Jan 1825 Place Lound County Suffolk Country England Father's first name(s) Charles Father's last name Smith Mother's first name(s) Frances Mother's last name -
First name(s) George Last name Smith Name note - Marriage year 1849 Marriage date 01 Apr 1849 Marriage place Lound Spouse's first name(s) Naomi Spouse's last name Cumby Residence Lound, Suffolk, England County Suffolk Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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David
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27 Feb 2018 14:44 |
Thanks for all your help will look at all your reply's. I have lots of detail about William after his marriage, he died 12 DEC 1931 • At Sea on board the trawler "Zodiac" Because William George Smith was my grandfather on my mothers side I hoped to find his ancestors
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27 Feb 2018 16:58 |
Harriet's birth (and brother George) showing mmn
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
SMITH, HARRIETT CUMBY Order GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 13 Page 479 Order
SMITH, GEORGE CUMBY Order GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 04A Page 620
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Marriage of George and Naomi
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%) Almond Eliza Mitford & 13 741 Almond Eliza Mutford 13 741 Bland Arthur Mitford & 13 741 Bland Arthur Mutford &c 13 741 Church Joseph Only Curtis Mutford &c 13 741 Cumbi Naomi Mutford 13 741 <<<<<<<<<<< Cumby Naomi Mutford 13 741 <<<<<<<<<< Gibbs Maria Mutford 13 741 Hurrell Eleanor Mutford &c 13 741 Manthorpe Jonathan Mutford &c 13 741 Smith George Mutford &c 13 741 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
----------------------- Family search has this record for 1849 !!
mentioned in the record of George Smith and Naomi Cumby Name George Smith Spouse's Name Naomi Cumby Event Date 01 Apr 1849 Event Place Lound, Suffolk,
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27 Feb 2018 17:01 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Buncers Hill, Lound, Mutford, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Smith Head Married Male 24 1827 Ag Lab Lound, Suffolk, England Neoma Smith Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Lound, Suffolk, England Elizabeth Smith Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Lound, Suffolk, England Harriet Smith Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Lound, Suffolk, England
Elizabeth born before marriage. so perhaps this birth -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: SMITH, ELIZABETH - Order GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 13 Page 469
However, Family search has - (GRO gives a mmn of Jacobs for this one)
Other information in the record of Elizabeth Martha Cumby from England Births and Christenings Name Elizabeth Martha Cumby Residence Place $, Suffolk, England Gender Female Christening Date 1846 Christening Date (Original) 06 DEC 1846 Christening Place SUFFOLK COUNTY BTS, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND Mother's Name Naomi Cumby Citing this Record "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Feb 2018 17:02 |
Below has a Witness Smith (but she could perhaps be related to either!)
Chris :)
County Suffolk Place Gunton Church name St Peter Register type Parish Register Register entry number 42 Marriage date 25 Dec 1897 Groom forename William George Groom surname SMITH Groom age 26 Groom condition bachelor Groom parish Gunton Groom occupation Fisherman Bride forename Annie Emma Bride surname SMITH Bride age 23 Bride condition spinster Bride parish Gunton Groom father forename Joseph Groom father surname SMITH Groom father occupation Fisherman Bride father forename Robert Bride father surname SMITH Bride father occupation Labourer Witness Robert WIGG Witness Emily SMITH
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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27 Feb 2018 17:05 |
?? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lound Bunker Hill, Lound, Mutford & Lothingland, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Moab Cumby Male 50 1791 Suffolk, England Elizabeth Cumby Female 50 1791 Suffolk, England Amelia Cumby Female 19 1822 Suffolk, England Neoma Cumby Female 15 1826 Suffolk, England Maria Cumby Female 12 1829 Suffolk, England Eliza Cumby Female 10 1831 Suffolk, England Henry Cumby Male 7 1834 Suffolk, England
Moab looks more like More on original
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27 Feb 2018 17:35 |
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Charles Cumby christening: 14 September 1814 LOUND, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND father: Moore Cumby mother: Elizabeth
Martha Cumby birth: LOUND, SUFFOLK, ENG christening: 20 April 1817 Suffolk, England father: Moore Cumby mother: Elizabeth
Amelia Cumby christening: 21 July 1822 LOUND, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND father: Moore Cumby mother: Elizabeth
Mary Ann Cumby birth: LOUND christening: 24 May 1829 SUFFOLK, ENGLAND father: Morse Cumby mother: Elizabeth Mary Cumby birth: LOUND christening: 8 February 1829 SUFFOLK, ENGLAND father: Morse Cumby mother: Elizabeth
Eliza Cumby christening: 1831 LOUND, BTS, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND residence: Lound, Suffolk, England father: Moore Cumby mother: Elizabeth Henry Moore Cumby christening: 23 March 1834 LOUND, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND father: Moore Cumby mother: Elizabeth
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27 Feb 2018 17:50 |
Next door but one to George and Naomi
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Buncers Hill, Lound, Mutford, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place More Cumby Head Married Male 70 1781 Ag Lab Norton, Norfolk, England Elizabeth Cumby Wife Married Female 62 1789 - Lound, Suffolk, England Mary Cumby Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Lound, Suffolk, England Elizah Cumby Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1829 - Lound, Suffolk, England Henry Cumby Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Lound, Suffolk, England Henry Cumby Grand Son - Male 2 1849 - Lound, Suffolk, England Georgeannah Cumby Grand Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Lound, Suffolk, England
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