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Hi Andy,

Definitely a possibility. Such a shame they only noted initials. I’ll see if I can find them after 1861. The search continues.

Thanks again!

Wonder if this is a possibly?.......workhouse

Both born Limpsfield

Name: J H
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1849
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Limpsfield, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bletchingley
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 445
Folio: 25
Page Number: 43

J H 12
H H 10


Long list other initials removed

Andy

Is anyone able to find James HOLMAN b1848 and/or Herbert HOLMAN b1850 in 1861 census or thereafter? I've given up with Edwyn/Edward in 1861 - I have him again after his marriage to Bridget MULVERHILL in 1864, so only missing him in 1861.

I'm hoping if I can find James and/or Herbert his half siblings, it might lead me to Edwyn/Edward.

Thanks to anyone who is able to help,.

Okay. Thanks Andy. Really appreciate your help.

Sorry, Can't see Edward in 1861 at the moment.

Andy

Hi Andy,

Okay, so if your death registration for Ann is correct, we can forget the 1861 census.

The child I’m most interested in tracing in 1861 is Edward b1841. He may still have been known as Edwyn, however when he married in 1864 to Bridget MULVERHILL he gave his name as Edward FIRMAGER. It would be great to trace him in 1861.

Hi Andy,

Yes, that might be William HOLMAN’s death in 1851.

I wonder if we can find Ann in 1861, although she may have remarried by this time....

Hi Andy,

My goodness the spellings are quite creative! Yes, I’d agree with your Mary Ann marriage and 1861 census find. This is the first mention of Mary Ann’s father as George. Her half-sibling Edwyn (Edward) mentions his father’s name as William FIRMAGER on his marriage certificate, Edward marries Bridget MULVERHILL in 1864 in Wandsworth.

Thank you!

Possible death for William??

HOLMWOOD, WILLIAM 40
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in GODSTONE Volume 04 Page 121


and for Ann?

HOLMAN, ANN 42
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in GODSTONE Volume 02A Page 79

Andy

Also found christening of James - additional child in 1851 census:

James Holman
England Births and Christenings
Name James Holman
Gender Male
Christening Date 09 Jul 1848
Christening Date (Original) 09 JUL 1848
Christening Place BLETCHINGLEY,SURREY,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Holman
Mother's Name Ann

Hi Andy & Margaret,

Yes, this must be them! Thank you so much. Must be an incorrect entry of their surname, unless they changed it.... Now I shall see if I can find them in 1861/71.

I found the christening of Herbert HOLLMAN on Family Search.

Name Hebert Hollman
Residence Place Merstham, Surrey, England
Gender Unknown
Christening Date 24 Oct 1850
Christening Date (Original) 24 Oct 1850
Christening Place Limpsfield, Surrey, England
Father's Name William Hollman
Mother's Name Ann Hollman

Marriage of Daughter Mary Ann?

Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937


Name: Mary Ann Furmages
Gender: Female
Age: Of Age
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1853
Marriage Place: Oxted, St Mary, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Oxted
Search Photos: Search for 'Oxted, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: George Furmages
Spouse: Andrew Filewood


1861 with sister Sarah (Another spelling variation)

Name: Mary Ann Filewood
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Andrew Filewood
Gender: Female
Where born: Limpsfield, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Oxted
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 446
Folio: 116
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Filewood 44
Mary Ann Filewood 27
George Filewood 6
John Filewood 4
Mary Ann Filewood 3
Andrew Filewood 1
Sarah Homeward 14

Andy

Possible?


William Holmwood
in the 1851 England Census
Name:
William Holmwood
Age:
40
Estimated birth year:
abt 1811
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Ann Holmwood
Where born:
Limpsfield, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:
Oxted
County/Island:
Surrey
Registration district:
Godstone
Sub-registration district:
Godstone
Household Members:
William Holmwood 40
Ann Holmwood 36
Elizabeth Holmwood 12
Edwin Holmwood 10
Sarah Holmwood 4
James Holmwood 2
Reber Holmwood 5 Mo

HOLLMAN, HEBER FURMIGER Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in GODSTONE Volume 04 Page 176

Andy

ame: William Holmwood
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Holmwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Limpsfield, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Oxted
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Piece: 1600
Folio: 180
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holmwood 40
Ann Holmwood 36
Elizabeth Holmwood 12
Edwin Holmwood 10
Sarah Holmwood 4
James Holmwood 2
Reber Holmwood 5 Mo


Andy

Is anyone able to find the following family in 1851 census. They should be around the area of either, Merstham or Limpsfield in Surrey.

William HOLMAN b1811 (Surrey?)
married on 16 May 1846 to
Ann FURMIGAR (spelling can be various FIRMAGER, FURMINGER etc) b1816 Surrey (most probably Limpsfield)

Parents:

William = William HOLMAN b1786 and Elizabeth HOLMAN (don't have maiden name) b1786

Ann = John FIRMAGER b? and Mary FIRMAGER (no maiden name) b1791 Surrey

William HOLMAN and Ann FIRMAGER christen a daughter named Sarah HOLMAN on 2 Aug 1846 in Limpsfield. Residence given as Merstham, Surrey.

Ann FIRMAGER had 4 illegitimate children prior to her marriage to William HOLMAN:

Mary Anne FIRMIGER
christened 1 Feb 1835
Limpsfield, Surrey, England

Elizabeth Heath FIRMIGER
christened 5 May 1839
Limpsfield, Surrey, England

Edwyn James FURMIGER - most probably known later as EDWARD
christened 15 Aug 1841
Limpsfield, Surrey, England

William Firmager the son of Ann Firmager, (servant) - he died on 14 Mar 1845
but his age is given as 8 months, so he was born in 1844.

I have found both William HOLMAN and Ann FIRMAGER living with their separate parents and siblings in the 1841 census. Both families are living close together in Limpsfield - census HO107/1077.

I now am trying to trace William and Ann in the 1851 census after they married in 1846. I am assuming they would have 4 children living with them, i.e. Mary Ann FIRMAGER, Elizabeth Heath FIRMAGER, Edwyn James (Edward) FIRMAGER and Sarah HOLMAN. The FIRMAGER children may now bear the surname HOLMAN.

I would expect William and Ann to be living in Merstham or Limpsfield or close by.

Many thanks to anyone who can help.