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rootgatherer
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4 Feb 2018 19:37 |
In case it is relevant and following on from the marriage that AustenQ found, here's May in 1939 but no Frederick. If he had already enlisted, he wouldn't appear on the register or maybe they just weren't living together by then.
1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Sansom Household (6 People) 29 Westmacott Gardens , Camberwell, London, England May Emily Day DOB 07 Sep 1895 SEX Female OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 34 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 5
Albert E G Sansom DOB 22 Nov 1903 SEX Male OCCUPATION Road Sweeper MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 34 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1
Beatrice W Sansom DOB 19 Feb 1913 SEX Female OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 34 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
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Gerry
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4 Feb 2018 18:51 |
Wow, everyone has been very busy while I was away. Thank you so much for your efforts
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Rambling
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4 Feb 2018 12:59 |
England & Wales births 1837-2006 First name(s) EDWARD ELLIOTT Last name DAY Birth year 1863 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name Elliott District Faversham County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 625 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, England
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 12:59 |
Edwin/ Edward in 1891:
Name: Edward Day Gender: Male Age: 26 Occ: Private Single Birth Year: 1865 Birth Place: Fareham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Norwich Ecclesiastical parish: Pockthorpe Residence Place: Thorpe, Norwich, Norfolk, England Registration district: Norwich Sub registration district: East Wymer ED, Institution or Vessel: 8th Kings Royal Irish Hussars Piece: 1522 Folio: 111 --------------------------------------
His service records are on FMP- Next of Kin, father, Peter Day, Faversham
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 12:50 |
Marriage:
First name(s) EDWARD ELLIOTT Last name DAY Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1893 Registration month - Spouse: Esther Ann Manthorpe, District Norwich County Norfolk Volume 4B Page number 196 ---------------------------
Birth of child: DAY, EDWIN PERCY (Mother's maiden name: MANTHROPE) GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in FAVERSHAM Volume 02A Page 809
Baptism: Name: Edwin Percy Day Gender: Male Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1893 Baptism Place: Preston-next-Faversham, Kent, England Father: Edwin Elliott Day Mother: Esther Ann Day FHL Film Number: 1835538
death: Name: Edwin Percy Day Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Registration Year: 1894 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Faversham Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 604
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 12:49 |
I believe Edwin had been previously married
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4 Feb 2018 12:46 |
The 1911 says they've had 6 children- one has died.
Perhaps they thought they had to list the 6 children, but in fact Edwin had died?
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ArgyllGran
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4 Feb 2018 12:45 |
And where is Edwin senior before 1901?
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patchem
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4 Feb 2018 12:39 |
Edwin Day from 1911? DAY, EDWIN ELLIOTT SCOTT GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 859
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Deaths Dec 1900 Day Edwin Elliott 1 Greenwich 1d 683
So who is the Edwin in 1911?
Added: SNAP
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ArgyllGran
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4 Feb 2018 12:37 |
Another child who maybe died ?:
DAY, EDWIN ELLIOTT mms SCOTT GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 859
Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%) Day Edwin Elliott 1 [ Greenwich ??] 1d 683 (Page number not within expected range for Greenwich)
But then what about the son Edwin 1899 in the 1911 census ??
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4 Feb 2018 12:30 |
Just to confirm Nyx's post:
I also tried to find a marriage for Edwin and Francis, with a complete lack of success, and also have queries over Frederick's parents.
Also, where was son Edwin from 1911 on 1901 census?
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Andrew
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4 Feb 2018 12:28 |
Might be Francis
1881 Census
Name: Frances M. Scott Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Frederick G. Scott Mother: Emma Scott Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle On Tyne Civil Parish: Westgate County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 28 Back George Street Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne ED, institution, or vessel: 13b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5050 Folio: 18 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Frederick G. Scott 23 Emma Scott 23 >>>>>>Frances M. Scott 5 Ethel Scott 1 James Miller 23
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4 Feb 2018 12:27 |
How about this for Frederick?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%) Morley Alfred Camberwell 1d 1452 Scan available - click to view Scott Francis Mary Camberwell 1d 1452
Births Dec 1895 (>99%) Morley Frederick Benjamin St. Saviour 1d 73
MORLEY, FREDERICK BENJAMIN SCOTT Order GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 73
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4 Feb 2018 12:08 |
Following on from Austin's post
Edwin and Francis were together in 1901,
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 12, Mansion Street, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England
Edwin E Day Head Married Male 33 1868 Faversham, Kent, England Groom Francis Day Wife Married Female 25 1876 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England - Frederick Day Son - Male 6 1895 Westminster, Middlesex, England The 1911 census says that they have been married for 16 years. But I cannot find a marriage for them?
So if that Frederick is correct he may have been born to Francis but before she was with Edwin, or may be his child from a previous relationship as he is a bit older than Francis?
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Gerry
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4 Feb 2018 11:36 |
Thank you Austin for bringing it all together.
And I am very drawn to Nyx's suggestion
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 10:18 |
I think Gerry is having difficulties as the person born in 1941 is still living and he's trying not to give too many details.
I'll try and fill a few gaps- The child was born/ registered in Watford (hospital)
The usual address for parents was given as Wembley.
Checking the 1939 register for that address- Edwin and Frances (and their married daughter Eva)- shown here on the 1911, were living there.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 91 George St Camberwell S E, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England
Edwin Day Head Married Male 45 1866 Kent Boughton Car Washer Francis Day Wife Married Female 35 1876 Cumberland Gatehead - Frederic Day Son Single Male 15 1896 Camberwell Surry Shop Boy Edwin Day Son - Male 12 1899 Camberwell Surry School Herbert Day Son - Male 9 1902 Camberwell Surry School Emmie Day Daughter - Female 8 1903 Camberwell Surry School Eva Day Daughter - Female 6 1905 Camberwell Surry School Doris Day Daughter - Female 3 1908 Camberwell Surry ---------------------------------
The children have mother's maiden name Scott. Annoyingly, I don't see a registration for the son Frederick. -------------------------------------
Assuming his middle name was Benjamin, there is this possible marriage in 1918 (If he was already married this could have been the reason he didn't marry Florence)
rst name(s) FREDERICK B Last name DAY Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1918 Spouse: May E Salisbury District Lambeth County London Volume 1D Page number 680
(You would need the marriage certificate to confirm that he was the Frederick connected to Edwin and Frances)
They appear on the electoral registers together living in Camberwell, and then Battersea. (until 1930). May is sometimes listed as May Emily Elizabeth
There are these possible deaths for them:
First name(s) FREDERICK BENJAMIN Last name DAY Gender Male Birth day 11 Oct 1894 Death quarter 4 Death year 1982 District Chatham County Kent Volume 16 Page 0636
First name(s) MAY EMILY E Last name DAY Gender Female Birth day 10 Sept 1897 Death quarter 2 Death year 1973 District Lambeth County London Volume 5D Page 457 ---------------------------------------------------
I think the details for Florence, posted by Nyx above, look a good possibility.
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Gwyn in Kent
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4 Feb 2018 09:19 |
Have you checked electoral lists for the address of birth and address of parent(s)?
These won't be available for the war years, but might help link Florence May to a family.
Who was the informant of birth?
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2018 21:22 |
Long shot;
Frederick Day in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Frederick Day Birth Date: abt 1906 Age: 33 Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date: 17 Feb 1939 Port of Arrival: London, England Ship Name: Narkunda Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 142496
His name's scored through, so presumably he didn't travel - but he was due to embark at Bombay, he was a soldier, and his proposed address in the UK was R A Depot, Woolwich
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rootgatherer
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3 Feb 2018 19:24 |
Bit of a long shot but wondering if Florence wasn't free to marry until later....let me check this couple out
Marriages Jun 1952 (>99%) Burton Flossie M Day March 4a 653 DAY Frederick B BURTON March 4a 653
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No that one, I think he was Frederick Bernie
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KathleenBell
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3 Feb 2018 16:49 |
If Frederick was in the Royal Artilliery in 1941 his army records will still be with the MOD.
Have a look here to see how to apply for them:-
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-records-of-deceased-service-personnel
They cost £30 and take several months to arrive. You have to be able to prove your relationship.
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