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Emma
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2 Feb 2018 21:21 |
Hi I’m looking for information on a George Henry Costins, possibly born as Bullock. According to census he was born at Newport Monmouthshire to a Elizabeth Costins. He resided in Cheltenham, Gloucester 1871-1901 then remained in Armley Leeds untill his death in 1925. His wife was a Harriett Kemmett and they had 5 children. George James, Lillie Harriet, Edith, Albert Charles and Eva Annie. I have George and his family located from 1871-1925 but have no definite proof of his parentage and according to the 71 census his ‘mother’ was his ‘Aunt’ and he was George Bullock but by 81 she was listed as his mother and he was George Costins, so who knows any help or information would be most appreciated as he is a massive brick wall for me.
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2 Feb 2018 21:29 |
Welcome to the board Emma.
can you just confirm this is the right one please.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Linden Road, South Hamlet, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Learn more George Costins Head Married Male 28 1863 Monmouthshire, Wales Furness Man In Iron Works Harriet Costins Wife Married Female 23 1868 Gloucestershire, England - James Costins Son Single Male 5 1886 Lily Costins Daughter Single Female 3 1888 Edith Costins Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - -
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2 Feb 2018 21:38 |
is this birth connected do you know
COSTINS, CAROLINE FLORENCE HARDING mmn COSTINS Order GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 379
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2 Feb 2018 21:39 |
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: George Henry Costins Gender: Male Marriage Age: 23 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1862 Marriage Date: 25 Aug 1885 Marriage Place: Gloucester, St Luke, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: St Luke Search Photos: Search for 'Gloucester, St Luke' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Harriett Hemmett
No fathers name for either on the record
There is a note in the margin saying that as both bride and groom are of illegitimate birth, fathers name omitted.
Andy
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2 Feb 2018 21:42 |
Presume this is the marriage you are looking at,
First name(s) ANN Last name COSTINS Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1847 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ ANN COSTINS married one of these people George World, George Carter, Thomas Ryder, Charles Bullock District Cheltenham District number - County Gloucestershire Country England Volume 11 Volume as transcribed 11 Page number 284 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce Collections from Great Britain, England
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2 Feb 2018 21:43 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription High Street Ch Yard, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Carnal Female 60 1781 Charles Hillings Male 4 1837 Robert Hillings Male 8 1833 - Francis Phant Male 2 1839 Gloucestershire, England Henry Phant Male 1 1840 Gloucestershire, England Ann Costins Female 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England <<<<< Mary Parker Female 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England
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2 Feb 2018 22:00 |
re Print transcription View image Add to tree First name(s) CHAROLINE FLORENCE H Last name COSTINS Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1881 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ CHAROLINE FLORENCE H COSTINS married one of these people William Mills, <<<< District Knighton District number - County Radnorshire Country Wales Volume 11B Volume as transcribed 11B Page number 163 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Not that it helps any but wanted to see if she was connected
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 15, Hereford Street, Presteigne, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales
William Foster Head Married Male 30 1851 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Shoe Maker Jane Foster Wife Married Female 34 1847 Cornwall, England - William Mills Lodger Head Married Male 34 1847 Presteigne, Radnorshire, Wales General Labr Florence C Mills Lodger Wife Married Female 20 1861 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England -<<<<<
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Emma
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2 Feb 2018 22:08 |
Thank you, yes that’s the right George ?? Caroline Florence is one of his mothers sisters illegitimate children and Ann Costins is also another one of his mother sisters who married a Charles Bullock but they emigrated to Canada around 1857/58 with their children so I do believe she may have lied about who he was in 71 census, I’m unsure whether Elizabeth is definitely his mother, it is possible he belonged to one or her sisters as Caroline Florence belonged to Caroline Costins and John Harding but was brought up by another Costins family member. Such a confusing family! I have found a birth certificate for the right time and place under Costins but it lists Henry James Costins 1861 Newport, Elizabeth Beavington and Henry Costins as parents, I haven’t been able to locate them or any marriage etc though so i do wonder if it’s possible that Elizabeth went to Wales to conceal the birth and then lied on the certificate.
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3 Feb 2018 07:24 |
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=774237.0
(some more info. on above, from google search)
25 August 1885 - Gloucester Citizen - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Marriage Costins - Kemmttt August 25, at St. Luke's Church, Gloucester, by the Rev. E. C. Scobell, George Henry Costins, to Harriett Kemmiitt, both of this city.
Chris :)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3067825/3067829/14/
(did notice 1872 Marriage of James Costins/Maria Cowles above, if relating)
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx
(above useful for Glos.)
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx
(Gloucestershire Archives Genealogical Search)
(some Baptisms on above, relating to James/Maria) (notes 1881 Glos.Maria a Widow)
1871 (Find My Past) (Reference) Benjamin McMillan Head - Male 36 1835 - Gloucestershire, England Elizabeth McMillan Wife - Female 39 1832 - Gloucestershire, England George Bullock Nephew - Male 9 1862 - Monmouthshire, Wales Elizabeth McMillan Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England Clarence Town, Hempstead, Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Marriages Sep 1868 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Costins Elizabeth Gloucester 6a 423 Macmillan Benjamin John Gloucester 6a 423
Birth MCMILLAN Elizabeth Ann Harriet COSTINS 1870 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 25 380
Birth MCMILLAN Benjamin James COSTINS 1872 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 28 231
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 (Ancestry)
Benjamin John MacMillan abt 1834 16 Aug 1868 Gloucester, St Luke Elizabeth Costins Bachelor, his Father, Daniel, occ. Gardener. Elizabeth, Spinster, her Father, James, occ. Brickmaker)
(below couple were the Witnesses)
Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Costins Caroline Cheltenham 6a 730 Ricketts Jacob Cheltenham 6a 730
Edits (you mention Newspapers on the rootschat link, could be more items if you have time to search about)
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
(or through Find My Past and Genes, subscription needed for them)
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