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Morning Deborah,

21 Homefarm Road is where they were living from about 1938. I wanted to know if there was an address on John's marriage certificate in 1929?

If you don't have access to the papers I can send you the article re the church- it details all the decorative painting that was done.

We always thought they were all painters. Maybe he was too ill to do such manual work.

The address they were at, and as far as I know (but I can check it if you need it) from early 1930's is

21 Homefarm Road
Hanwell
London
W7 1NR

Your last post will be solid gold for my Dads ears.

Just getting you the postcode

Just out of interest Deborah, what was John C L Lynn's address when he married in 1929?

At the moment I only see him on the electoral registers from 1933- at 7 Barker Street, Kensington (with Wife, May).

In 1934 Mary is also living with them at 7 Barker Street.

Yet in 1905 and 1907, John and Margaret Lynn, William's parents, were both buried with a large headstone in McGarel Cemetery Larne.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/182660138#view-photo=159406764

Belfast Weekly News 31 January 1907
LYNN- January 23 after a lingering illness, at Larne Infirmary, Margaret Lynn, wife of the late John Lynn, Barnhill.
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Looking at the papers, John had been a successful painter - obtaining a large contract to paint the First Presbyterian Church in Larne in 1898.

Ballymena Weekly Telegraph 11 June 1898
"...The contract for painting was entrusted to John Lynn of Barnhill, Larne, painter and decorator, who has by this artistic piece of work, won for himself fresh laurels in his profession, Viewed as a whole for good taste and workmanship, the work has been carried out in a faultless manner, and it is satisfactory to note that not the slightest accident occurred during the progress of the work..."
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Right up until 1904 (the year before his death he placed various adverts wanting skilled paperhangers and and painters and also advertising for apprentices- giving the impression his business was doing well.

So why didn't William take over the business? Did he not have a head for business? Was he too ill to take on work? What happened to make them up sticks and move to England?

Oh dear, his Mum Mary Lynn, the one we are really looking for was buried in an unmarked grave along with 6 others. This is so sad.

I will write to them and see what I can find out, they were probably so poor they couldnt afford a head stone.

Yes it is Belfast City Cem....
Unmarked grave..eg Public Ground
Malvern Street was where parents were living at time of the wee boys death

Looks like Belfast City cemetery. No grave number, maybe if I write to them they will be able to tell me.

Yes it is thank you, I have just googled it, and it looks like a private house.

I wonder if he was buried in the garden or something.

Is this the Burial you were after wanting...

Record details Belfast


Name of deceased William Lyster Lynn
Last place of residence 38 Malvern St
Age 10 Mos
Sex
Date of death 24 November 1909
Date of burial 25 November 1909
Cemetery City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number
Burial Type Earth Burial

I have had another thought, it goes back to the reason I wrote to you in the first place.

We have Mary Lynn on the 1901 census. Then she is not on the 1911 census. We couldnt find her anywhere so I wrote to you.

Then ; greyghost post 1st feb 17.03 their baby William Lester Lynn died, aged 9 months, Census also shows there were 3 children, 2 died.

Maybe this made my Grandmother ill and she was 'put' somewhere to get well. It would be enough to.

Could there be a clue in where the 9 month old child was buried and also the details of the other child. I dont have this information.

May explain her absence on the 1911 census.

In 1913 her husband William Lester died at Fulham infermary, she was not the informant on the death certificate, it was one of the hospital staff.

We know she was in London, Fulham at JCL Lynn and May Lynn marriage. I have the certificate. in 1929.

This may be nothing, but you did say any little snippett may help, but my Grandmother May Lynn, wife of J C L Lynn (who was son of Mary Lynn) forbid any of us from researching the 'Lynn' family. She was livid with her daughter Doreen Crosby nee Lynn ( my dads sister) for trying to so it was left. No one argued with her.

On 1st Feb 'greyghost' very kindly gave me the details of Mary Lynns burial, we didnt even know where she was buried. I wrote to the cemetery and they gave me the details of her grave. She was buried at Hampton cemetery. My parents were forbidden to go to the funeral, my Dads Mum bought my Dad a black tie and said you can wear that and thats all. I got a letter back from Hampton Cemetery and found out that she was buried in an unpurchased unmarked grave with 6 others. My grandparents were not that short of money, I think it was just nasty on Grandmothers part. ( I know its all supposition).

We were all so upset to hear that and my Mum is talking about having the body exhumed to give her a proper burial.

Its still my opinion that, yes there maybe some sort of 'skeleton' here, but we just think she had a very unfortunate time with her life, she lost her 9 month old baby, then her husband, and maybe she was hospitalised or something, for what in those days would have probably been thought of as 'going crazy'. Something May Lynn would have thought of as very distastefull, and should be swept under the carpet.

You see the thing that is driving me is that my Dad spent his whole life thinking all he had on the Lynn side of the family were his Mum, Dad and sister, and us of course, thats me, Mum and my brother.

If this is our Mary Lynn, then she had many siblings, which means that there may be other children and family members out there we never knew about.

This is why I got all our DNA done, which I did through Ancestry.com. and myself and Dad came up with a match, which I found yesterday, with a lady called Lynne who lives in Canada. I put the names Sinclair and Orr in, and she has them in her tree. Orr is very unusual, I know its a long shot, but could it be the bit that links it to the Mary Lynn you are following.

Yes Deborah, they certainly look to be different people and it seems,from different branches of Campbells (Or at least they are not closely related).

Lol- I've got things to do as well! I couldn't sleep last night for thinking about this family.

The Campells are going to be difficult to sort. There are quite a few Mary's born in Antrim c1866 with father William! I'm not starting on them- don't think my brain can take it today :)

Its looking possible that there are 2 Mary Campbells, unrelated. I wish I could do what you do, I would be on it 24/7. I nearly am now.

(oh grief AQ!, never thought I'd be glad to say I must go and 'wash up', lol lol)

And then the Garden Centre for me later...

Chris :)

So, just taking a look at the 1901 census, we are looking for a Mary Campbell, born c1866 in Antrim, with father William.

Ireland Census 1901 Transcription
Townland/Street Curran Street
District electoral division Larne
County Antrim

John Lynn Head of Family Married 56 1845 Antrim
Margrate Lynn Wife Married 55 1846 Antrim
William Lynn Son Married 31 1870 Antrim
Mary Lynn Daughter in Law Married 21 1880 Antrim
John J Lynn Grand Son Single 1 1900 Antrim
Mary Campbell Sister in Law Single 35 1866 Antrim

(all listed as Presbyterian)

There is nothing to say on the 1911 that the Mary Campell born c1856 is related to the Lynns. The Lynns are just recorded as boarders. The Lynns are Presbyterian, and Mary and her son Patrick are RC.

This is the marriage of John Lynn and Margaret Campell. Margaret's father listed as William.

Marriage:

Name John Lynn
Birth Date 1842
Age 23
Spouse's Name Margaret Campbell
Spouse's Birth Date 1842
Spouse's Age 23
Event Date 30 Jun 1865
Event Place Belfast, Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name John Lynn
Spouse's Father's Name William Campbell
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single
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The Mary living with the Lynns in 1911 is here in 1901- her maiden name was Mcleod and she was married to William Campbell:

Ireland Census 1901 Transcription
Townland/Street Mill Lane
District electoral division Larne
County Antrim

Mary Campbell Head of Family Married 44 1857 Antrim
Colin Campbell Son Single 15 1886 Antrim
Patrick Campbell Son - 13 1888 Antrim
Mary Campbell Daughter Single 19 1882 Antrim
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I thought they could be related if William Campell was the brother of Margaret Lynn nee Campbell- however, Margaret's father is recorded as William on her Marriage, but when WIlliam Campbell married Mary Mcleod in 1876, he lists his father as John Campbell.

(is there anywhere you can see anything 'Electoral' wise, might give more of an idea who is who at 'Coopers Lane', over the years?...(seems to be popular, Campbell, and looks like they need 'sortin' also!)

Think you need a holiday spent in the Archives!, lol...(they usually offer a Research service, if not too expensive!)

Chris :)

With reference to the above. We did wonder if there were 2 Mary Campbells in the family because when we looked closer at the 2 census's we noticed this;

1901 7 Curran Street

Mary Campbell age 35, sister in law to our GG Grandfather John Lynn- presbytarian

1911 7 Coopers lane

Mary Campbell age 55 living with her son Patrick Campbell- Roman Catholic
The other 2 are my Grandfather and great grandfather.

We had assumed that there was only one Mary Campbell who was the sister to Margaret Lynn nee Campbell, our GG Grandmother.