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Those passenger lists were facinating, lovely just to look at.

My husband and I do a lot of historical research, but not dead people, we do houses and buildings, (there is a reason for that) I enjoy both, especially when its personel, like your family.

Just sorry we got stuck on Mary Lynn, but I can see why now.

Most of the other family members I knew, I was told a lot as a child, but unfortunatly Mary was not mentioned that much.

I prefer your version, and hopefully thats what it was. My Grandfather was a lovely man, he was a Gentleman as well as a gentle man. My Dads the same.

I could understand her getting sick by 1911, she had a sad life, we found a lovely photo of her yesterday, sitting in a chair with JCL standing beside her, he looked to be in his 20's.

I remember he always wore a great coat and a trilby, and he wiould always tip his hat at the ladies, he was bald from a young age and I remember my Granny always used to get very cross because the barber charged him 6d to cut his hair, he only had a dozen hairs on the top of his head.

I could certainly spend all day looking at records. I love trying to put a life story to a name.

Funny how perceptions differ- I'm not sure about John running away to the Navy. I suspect after his father died John continued to live with his mother. I should imagine money was tight and Mary worked hard. John was probably encouraged to find work as soon as he was able to help support himself and ease the burden on Mary.

John obviously remained in contact with his mother, and liked her enough to allow her to witness his wedding, and move in (albeit briefly!). I know that Mary was not on the 1911 census, but she could have been sick (often people in infirmary's were just recorded by initials), maybe visiting relatives in England, in prison?, or living in service in either Ireland, or England. I don't believe she deserted her family...but I'm not sure we'll ever really know.

EDIT: Did your Dad manage to sort the photo of Mary & Lady Guinness?

We know he went all over the world with the Merchant Navy, recently, as these events have unfolded, we have begun to think he ran away to the navy, because of his Mother dissapearing, then he lost a 9 month old brother when he was 9 himself. Another sibling died, got no details of that. His Dad died when he was 13. Goodness knows where his Mother was.

Enough to make you go crazy.

The original document looks as if he went at the last minute, or that he changed places with another crewman for whatever reason.

The only address's that seem to be on the ones I looked at ( I did a random sample) were the addresses of where they came from, but it doesnt even show that information for JCL.

I didnt realise we could get all that information, that was a learning curve, you could spend all day looking at that.

However, it does look as though he went at the last minute.

OK, thanks Deborah, I just thought the original might give a little more information.

I meant yes he was crew.

Yes, we was crew, I found a button to click on crew.

ok, will do it now

If you just put J C L Lynn, date of birth 1901 in the search and then click "immigration and travel" they should come up- hopefully with the original images.

EDIT: From what you've just said it sounds like he was possibly crew.

I just emailed my cousin with your findings, and I am still laughing at her reply

" What the ... " "I couldnt live with my Mother in Law, its hard enough not living with her"

I do have world wide, if thats the same thing, what you have there my cousin found, we we not sure if it was JCL, your transcript has far more information.

All ours says is JCL Lynn, port of New York, and the date, the piece of paper is headed up , Statement of master vessel, regarding changes in crew prior to departure.

He was in the Merchant Navy, so we didnt think of that, just thought he was travelling, what do I need to do to find out.

Or, I would be happy to let you have my sign in name and password, you could probably find your way round it better that I can, I pay for this thing but I dont really know how to use it to its full extent.

I was thinking the same Deborah. Imagine poor John too- stuck between his wife and his mother! I'll bet there was some tension in that house :)

Deborah- do you have Ancestry Worldwide?

Just wondered if there is any address on these passenger lists- or names of people he's going to, or if he's listed as crew? I don't have access to the original

New York, Passenger Lists
Name J C L Lynn
Arrival Date 18 Dec 1928
Birth Date abt 1901
Age 27
Ethnicity/ Nationality Irish
Port of Departure Hamilton, Bermuda
Port of Arrival New York, New York
Ship Name Avon
Search Ship Database Avon

Name J C L Lynn
Arrival Date 15 Jan 1929
Birth Date abt 1902
Age 27
Ethnicity/ Nationality British
Port of Departure Hamilton, Bermuda
Port of Arrival New York, New York
Ship Name Avon

No, the surnames dont ring any bells either.

I note what you say about the potatoe famine.

I wonder what he was doing at the address, all very odd.

Interesting though that Mary Lynn was living with my Grandparents. Maybe that what what caused the rift, or whatever happened. My Dad would have been only 2 then, too young to remember, his sister would have been 4 or 5, but unfortunatly cant ask her.

Just looking at the address on William's death cert- unfortunately I can't see anyone listed there in 1912/ 1913 on the electoral register. These families were at that address in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
42 Turneville Road Fulham S W, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

George Foxley Head Married Male 64 1847 Tilsworth Beds Plasterer
Ada Foxley Wife Married Female 56 1855 Marylebone London
William Bolwell Stepson Single Male 26 1885 Chelsea London Commercial Traveller Stationery
Charles Bolwell Stepson Single Male 24 1887 Chelsea London General Engineer Turner
Mary Eliza Bolwell Stepdaughter Single Female 20 1891 Fulham London Assistant Shop Chemist

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
42 Turneville Road Fulham S W, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

Ruth Jones Head Widow Female 58 1853 Southwick Wilts None
Ruth Louisa Jones Daughter Single Female 30 1881 S Kensington London -
Sheila May McIver Visitor - Female 10 1901 Fulham London School

In 1914 an Arthur John Page was listed there on the electoral register.

Not seeing any connection to your Lynns
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I think the potato famine (caused by potato blight) was much earlier in the mid 1840s.

Its my pleasure, I know it can be a lot of fun, I did it for my father in Law, but only a couple of generations, he didnt know who any of them where.

I make you right about Lillie. There was what looked like a dot, which could have been over an ' i '

Deborah- it is you that is doing us the favour- allowing us to look into your family!

I suspect the address on the marriage certificate is Lillie Road- although I can't see him on the electoral register there, so it may have just been a temporary address.

Can just about make it out, its good enough, thank you very much, and thank you for the offer, but its far too much work for you to type it out, you are doing enough for me already, I feel very humble, and very grateful to you.

I dont have access to the papers, would love to see it.

Sorry AustinQ miss understood you.

I have their marriage cert right here,

JCL Lynn 287 Lille Road, Fulham (think it says Lille)

May Lynn nee Phillips 33 Queens Gate Terrace, South Kensington

Got this from my cousin, William Lester Lynn, copy of entry of death, died 6th June 1913, address 42 Turneville Road, Fulham, London, W4, cause of death cardiac failure and something else, illegible.

I do believe that a lot of Irish went to Wales/USA and London at the beginning of the century because of a potatoe blight, maybe they all became very poor, and those with a skill had to move because the people who lived in Ireland became very poor, I do know that is documented, there was a programme on TV about it.