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Who was Lady Guinness?, can see the one Death below, Mary not in her household 1911.

Deaths Sep 1935 (>99%)
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Guinness Henrietta E 84 Surrey N.E. 2a 27


(don't like to say, but sometimes things remain a mystery!)

Chris :)

(there was below about)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

150 Ifield Road , Kensington, London,
Mary Lynn 22 Aug 1876 Female Domestic Widowed


(a few at same address, Mary A Kerr (30/11/73) says Belongs to Blind Association Ireland, Jeanette L Martin (7/4/75) Nurse, Governess, Teacher, Margaret M Cann (30/9/65) House Duties, Old Age Pensioner)


(just to add, below 1952 Kensington Death has Margaret Mary Cann Burial. (Brompton Road)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(also)

Middlesex, Brompton Cemetery Records (Find My Past)

(her abode, 150, Ifield Road)


https://tinyurl.com/yag4y6yh

(Ifield Road on google map)


Below was posted earlier, at that Address 56, 1939 was below (Carpenter) on his own)


alviegal Report 1 Feb 2018 17:25

Name: Mary Lynn
Year: 1946
County or Borough: Ealing
Ward or Division/Constituency: Ealing South West
Street address: 56 Seward Road (should be Seaford Rd)
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0710


Deborah Report 1 Feb 2018 17:29

Thats my great grandmother. My dad used to visit her at Seaford road, she was housekeeper there. The went into a nursing home from there in Hampton Court, not sure what year but she died there.


Deaths Dec 1944 (>99%)
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Josland George F 63 Staines 3a 21


28 June 1946 - West London Observer - London, London, England

Estate of GEORGE FREDERICK JOSLAND. deceased, late of 56 Seaford Road, West Ealing in the County of Middlesex, Carpenter, who died on the 5th day of October, 1944.


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

1952 on above, Mary Lynn at 54 Seaford Road, other occupants John Osman, Charles W. Slade, Isobel Slade) (those people were at 54, in 1946, when Mary was at 56)


(perhaps him below)

Deaths Dec 1963 (>99%)
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SLADE CHARLES W 80 EALING 5E 176

(Charles Winyard Slade)

Name: Mary Lynn
Discharge Date: 24 Mar 1922
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea
Title: Britten Street, Old and New Workhouses, 1922
Age 39
Discharged at own request

Her admission to the workhouse
Mary Lynn
Birth Date: 1883
Admission Age: 39
Admission Date: 20 Apr 1922
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea
Place: London, England
Title: Britten Street, Old and New Workhouses, 1922
She was presbyterian and occ charring

Thank you so very much for all that, I shall digest it all, I am beginning to think that the Mary Lynn in the above workhouse may have been her. My Mary Lynn was widowed in 1913, its my theory now that she was 'rescued' from the workhouse by the Guinness family and she went into service with them, and they became lifelong friends.

My Dad told me yesterday that he has a photo of his Grandmother and Lady Guinness and he is going to get it out for me, it may take a day or two, then I will know which Lady Guinness it is, as there are several, but Lady Evelyn Guinness was living at 11 Grosvenor Place, London through the 1920's and she had many domestics in her household, but couldnt see my Mary Lynn, at least not on the 1911 census, but it is also my theory that when Mary lost her 9 month old baby in 1909, also another child, details unknown, then her husband died in 1913, I wonder if she ended up in and out mental institutions/ workhouses due to proverty and extreme stress from her personal circumstances.

According to the 1901 census, for 7 Curran Street, Larne, Antrim, she was presbyterian.

Think you need more help from that 1897 Marriage, references mentioned earlier, witnesses, Dock Street, is there any local Archives, Electoral Rolls, available?, sometimes google search helps)

(not got Irish research knowledge myself!)

Edits

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-street-directories

(if above any use)

Chris :)

Deborah Report 1 Feb 2018 16:51

Father James White- Labourer

Very difficult to read names of witnesses looks like;

Something (could be Sam) P Adai

Lizzie Something (could be Maedy)

really very hard to read


Deborah Report 6 Feb 2018 17:23

her father was James White and from her marriage certificate her father was living at 23 Dock Street or Place (cant read it) near or in Belfast . This was on 29th March 1897 when she got married.


(not wanting to go into depths of Guinness families!, but possibly below couple)

12 March 1903 - Clifton Society - Bristol, Bristol, England

The Dublin season has resulted in at least one interesting engagement—that of Mr. Walter Guinness and Lady Evelyn Erskine...


(as you say, not in their household 1911)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Guinness,_1st_Baron_Moyne

(looks like that Lady Evelyn Death 1939 Paris)


(what was occupation of James White?)

I will speak to my cousin, she has joined an Irish site, thats where she got the certificate.

Thank you.

Sorry didnt see your question at the end of the message.

James White on marriage certificate as labourer.

Chris posted this entry on the 1939 register which looks a good possible for Mary.
1939 Register (Find My Past)

150 Ifield Road , Kensington, London,
Mary Lynn 22 Aug 1876 Female Domestic Widowed

Based on that DOB I was looking at this birth (1 day out).

Mary White
Date of birth: 21st August 1876
Abode: Styles Antrim
Father: James White (Labourer)
Mother: Mary White (formerly Young)
Informant: Agnes Young, present at birth, Island? Muck? Grange
SR District/Reg Area Antrim
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Possible marriage of parents:

Year of Marriage 1871

Party 1 Name JAMES WHITE (Full age, bachelor, Labourer)
Residence at time of marriage: New Ra? (Newpark?), Antrim
Father: ?cules White, Labourer

Party 2 Name MARY YOUNG (Full age, spinster)
Residence st time of marriage: Back Hill? (Birch Hill?)
Father: Joseph Young, Labourer
Date of Marriage: 10 March 1871
SR District/Reg Area Ballymena

(lol, lol, thought things 'Irish' would tempt you in AQ)

All looks good from here!...(at least something to work from)

Chris :)

Told myself I wouldn't look on here today Chris!

The writing on both the birth and the marriage is difficult to read. Maybe someone can glean a bit more from the originals.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Possible for James- might help to find him in later records:

Ireland Census 1851 Transcription

Residence Antrim
Townland Ballyrobin
Parish Killead
Barony Lower Massereene
County Antrim

Hercules White 1818 33 Male Head
Elenor White 1817 34 Female Wife
William White 1841 10 Male Son
George White 1843 8 Male Son
James White 1847 4 Male Son
Mary White - - Female Daughter
Rose Hughes 1801 50 Female Mother
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1841/ 51 census search forms:

http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=15684

Year of Census Extract-
Surname of ApplicantWhite
Christian name of ApplicantJames
Applicant's present addressRev William Salmond, Loanends Manse, Muckamore, Co Antrim
Surname of FatherWhite
Christian name of FatherHercules
Maiden Surname of Mother-
Christian name of MotherEllen
Residence Location - CountyAntrim
Residence Location - BaronyMassereene Lower
Residence Location - ParishGrange Of Muckmore
Residence Location - TownlandMuckmore

This is incredible, thank you so much, some of this looks very promising.

I have been looking at an Irish geneology site all day today, but havnt managed to get anything like all this.

I am so grateful.

Well, it still needs a little work, but definitely worth looking into.

If the birth for Mary is correct then there were siblings- these were her younger sisters (twins)

Birth: 30th March 1879
Margaret White
Ellen Jane White

Father: James White (Labourer)
Mother: Mary White (formerly Young)
ABode: Stiles, Antrim

Informant: Margaret Fletcher, Hungry Hall Antrim (Present at birth)
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Another younger sister:

Matilda White
Birth: 8th September 1883
Abode: Stiles, Antrim
Father: James White (Dealer)
Mother: Mary White (formerly Young)
Informant: Martha Fletcher, Hungry Hall (present at birth)

Also an older sister (not named at registration)

Birth: 2 April 1872
Surname: White
Female
Abode: Ballygowan
Father: James White (Labourer)
Mother: Mary White (formerly young)
Informant: Nancy Young, Islandbaun (present at birth)
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Another older sister:

Sarah McManus White
birth: 23 Feb 1874
Abode: Stiles, Antrim
Father: James White (Labourer)
Mother: Mary White (Formerly Young)
Informant: Agnes Young, Islandbawn, present at birth

Yes, I have just found a Mary Lynn on the electoral roll, in 1938, 218 Old Brompton Road, Kensington. Along with loads of other names, it may be that they were all the domestics etc. This is all in the right area.

(well it's all Ballykissangel to me lol, these place names!)

Chris :)

(Find My Past Newspapers (Irish) seem to be useful also!)


(on that 1851 Hercules White, on below link, wondering if Martha was their Daughter, listed under Rose Hughes)

http://www.irishgenealogy.net/forum/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?t=643

(Died Since 6th June 1841:
MARTHA ANN WHITE, 3 months (Daughter) - NONE - Suffocation - Spring 1845)

Lol. My Mums side of the family are all Welsh, I dont know whats worse. Well I do, at least the Irish use the same letters as we do, the Welsh dont. No hope of pronouncing things.

I know I have posted this before, but thought it worth another mention.

When my Grandfather, John Campbell Lester Lynn was born on 3rd January 1900, his mother wrote her name on the birth certificate as Mary Moore Lynn, formally White. We have no idea where the Moore came from.

Deborah, I'm off out to dinner now, but I'll try and take another look tomorrow.

I really appreciate that, thank you very much.

OK, I've been working through the family of James White and Mary Young

So far we have children:
Female White 1872
Sarah Mcmanus White 1874
Mary White 1876
Margaret White 1879
Ellen Jane White 1879
Matilda White 1883

Their births are posted above.

I've now found another child, which might be of interest as it is the first connection to a Moore Surname:

Martha White
Birth: 28 March 1886
Abode: Styles, Antrim
Father: James White (Dealer)
Mother: Mary WHite (formerly Young)
Informant: Mary Moore of Styles (present at birth)

That looks promising, it will be fantastic if we can unravel this, it is the only mystery that we have come accross so far, all the other family members were fairly easy to trace. I will print all this off so I can digest it a bit easier.

My Dad is trying to find that photo of Mary Lynn with Lady Guinness, I am sure she was in service to her, she seems to have always been in service.