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Trying to trace rather obscure relatives

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Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 12 Sep 2018 17:58

I wonder if there is a record of merchant crews, which might help define a birthplace in Norway.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Sep 2018 00:03

Don't know if this will be of any help but there is a list of Norwegian surnames here:-

https://www.familyeducation.com/baby-names/browse-origin/surname/norwegian?page=6

Keep scrolling down as there are pages of them but you might find a name that is similar to what is written.

It may also be difficult for you as according to the same web page it says this:-

"If you have a Norwegian last name, you find it a little difficult to trace your family history back further than a few generations. That's because before 1923, the most common last names in Norway ended in -son, -sen, -dotter, or -datter, which mean "son of" or "daughter of," and changed with each generation. So Carl Johanssen is Carl, son or Johan. But Carl's daughter Anna might be Anna Carlsdotter.

In 1923, the Norwegian government mandated all Norwegian families to choose a last name they could pass down from generation to generation. Families either stuck with their current patronymic last name, but some chose the farm or other place they lived."

Kath. x

Glyn

Glyn Report 10 Sep 2018 23:05

Well Austin Q and everyone else who’s helped me I have the copy of the original marriage certificate between Elizabeth Ann Carter and Andrew Olsen and unfortunately it looks as though it does say Ulster Olsen ( or Wolsen as it’s written). There are no other details about where he comes from and I wonder if they just wrote what they thought his name was, as it doesn’t sound very Norwegian.
I haven’t any idea what to do now as most of the Norwegian sites need a town of origin or something. I’ve put in Ulster Wolsen and Olsen and Andrew Olsen and Wolsen but no joy.
Has anyone got any ideas of how I can proceed now and find out more?
Thank you

Glyn

Glyn Report 2 Feb 2018 08:33

Thanks Chris??

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Feb 2018 07:45

http://www.norwayheritage.com/

(above I've come across before)

Chris :)

Glyn

Glyn Report 1 Feb 2018 22:58

Thank you. Yes Andrew Olson or Norwegian equivalent are quite common. At least I have some ideas where to look now. Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Feb 2018 22:02

The trouble is, no matter which website you use, we don't know his year of birth, not which part of Norway he came from, nor his father's name - and there are a lot of Andrew Olsons!

Ancestry and FamilySearch both have a lot of Norwegian records - many in Norwegian, but fairly easy to figure out what they say.

Advice here, amongst other places:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norway_Genealogy

https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors/tracing-your-ancestry

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/sab/howto.html

https://tinyurl.com/yckgsnvl

https://tinyurl.com/y9v4ch86


Just Google "family tree research Norway" or similar.

Glyn

Glyn Report 1 Feb 2018 21:19

Can anyone suggest which website I could use to continue my search in Norway? Hopefully with English to make the search easier. Thanks

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Jan 2018 23:34

Thank you. Lots to check out. There is the Norway link I knew about but not sure when so it was his grandfather who came from Norway

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2018 17:24

http://www.plimsoll.org/images/04%20street%20directory_a_tcm4-180064.pdf

(not sure if you can see image, 1884 at number 42, Olsen, Andrew, ship keeper)


Edits (no, you have to scroll through to Dock Street, but he was there!)

Chris :)

http://www.plimsoll.org/southampton/streetdirectories/

(can be useful Southampton, if you have time to search!)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Jan 2018 17:03

Hampshire Advertiser 11 June 1887

DEATHS
On the 5th Inst in Dock Street, Southampton, Andrew Olson, aged 47
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Hampshire Advertiser 18 March 1885

School Attendance Cases

...Elizabeth Olson of No. 42 Dock Street was summoned for similar neglect - It appearing that her husband should have been summoned, the bench dismissed the information, though Mrs Olson promised to send the child regularly in future
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Possible for Andrew?

Hampshire Telegraph 12 February 1859

Andrew Olson, John Thompson and Charles Poold, seamen belonging to the merchant barque Psyche, now lying in Portsmouth Harbour undergoing repair, all pleaded guilty to a charge of willfully disobeying the lawful commands of Daniel McDermott, the master, on Wednesday last by refusing to haul in the slack of a warp and also to keep watch. They now expressed their determination not to go to sea in the ship which is bound for Mauritius, stating her not to be seaworthy. They were each sentenced to seven days imprisonment with hard labour
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As there are several Andrew Olson, I think you need his 1862 marriage certificate to be sure of his father's name

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2018 16:37

As he was a mariner, perhaps he wasn't actually at home in 1871, but Elizabeth just put him on the list anyway ???


???


Andrew Olson
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew Olson
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway
Registration district: Royal Navy
County: Royal Navy
Address: Tobermory Norton Isle Of Mull Hebrides
Occupation: Sailmaker
ED: Flirt
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_191


Re address: Norton will be a mistranscription of some other word.


EDIT:

But maybe not.
There are other mariners named Andrew Olson, around the right age, in 1881.

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:55

1871 states his birth place as Norway ??

Name Andrew Olson
Age 37
Estimated Birth Year abt 1834
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Olson
Gender Male
Where born Norway
Civil parish Millbrook
Ecclesiastical parish Shirley
Town Shirley
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district South Stoneham
Sub-registration district Millbrook
ED, institution, or vessel 2
Household schedule number 188
Piece 1199
Folio 45
Page number 30
Household Members
Name Age
Andrew Olson 37
Elizabeth Olson 30
Susan Olson 8
Elizabeth Olson 6
Beatrice Olson 4
Alice Olson 1 Year, 4 Months

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 28 Jan 2018 15:54

OLSON, CHARLES FREDERICK EGERTON Order
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 42

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:38

Name: Charles Frederick Olson
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Southampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 42

.................his birth certificate would also give you his mother's name and maiden name.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Jan 2018 15:38

If the information above is correct (it seems to be but you would need his marriage certificate to confirm) then Charles/ Frederick was from Hampshire- however, his Grandfather was from Sweden: This is the family in 1881.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Dock Street, Southampton St Mary, Southampton, Hampshire, England

Andrew Olson Head Married Male 41 1840 Sweden Norway Laborer (Ships)
Elizabeth Olson Wife Married Female 39 1842 Weymouth, Dorset, England -
Alice May Olson Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
James Andrew Olson Son Single Male 9 1872 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ann Allen Olson Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Andrew John Olson Son Single Male 5 1876 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Thomas Wm Olson Son Single Male 3 1878 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Walter Frederick Olson Son Single Male 1 1880 Southampton, Hampshire, England Infant
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Birth:
OLSON, WALTER FREDERICK (mother's maiden name: CARTER)
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 17
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Same family 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pound Street, Millbrook, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Andrew Olson Head - Male 37 1834 - Norway (Sweden crossed through)
Elizabeth Olson Wife - Female 30 1841 Dorset, England
Susan Olson Daughter - Female 8 1863 Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Olson Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Hampshire
Beatrice Olson Daughter - Female 4 1867 Hampshire
Alice Olson Daughter - Female 1 1870 Hampshire
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Marriage of Andrew & Elizabeth:

Name: Andrew Wolson
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1834
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1862
Marriage Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father: Ulstier Wolson
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Carter
Spouse father: James Carter
FHL Film Number: 1041730
Reference ID: Pg 78

The above marriage is a transcription- I don't see the original to check Andrew's father's name. I don't see Ulstier as a name (perhaps a verson of Allister/ Ollister?)- you need the original marriage cert to see if this is an accurate transcription.

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:33

You could start by buying a copy of his marriage certificate, this should give you his father's name and occupation, which could help find information, or confirm any information already found.

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Jan 2018 15:13

Thank you. That seems a good start.
I’m more interested in the Olson lead with possible connections to a Norway and the Sami people.
Can anyone help or give me any suggestions on how to investigate this side of the family?
Thank you

safc

safc Report 27 Jan 2018 00:42

????
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Ashford Jack E G Seymour Southampton 2c 55
Griffin Ethel Wheway Southampton 2c 55
Seymour Ethel E M Ashford Southampton 2c 55
Wheway Sydney R Griffin Southampton 2c 55

safc

safc Report 27 Jan 2018 00:40

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Ashford Dorothy E Seymour Southampton 2c 21