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Looking at that 1871 Census, John Allen is not the father-in-law of John Thomas ........ John is entered above John Thomas and that means he is gather-in-law to the Head of the household, William Tanner
1871 Census
Name John Gladden
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Relation Boarder
Gender Male
Where born Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish St Matthew
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Household schedule number 140
Piece 612
Folio 17
Page number 28
William Tanner 37
Frances Tanner 33
William Tanner 13
George Tanner 11
Fanny Tanner 9
Matilda Tanner 6
Lottie Tanner 3
John Allen 63 Father-in-Law
John Gladden 38 Boarder
Emily Roffey 14
from Freebmd ........
Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
Allen Frances Hackney 1b 442
TANNER William Hackney 1b 442
It looks as though Frances Allen and Emma Allen were sisters .....
1851 Census
Name: Frances Maria Allen
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Allen
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Allen
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Piece: 1513
Folio: 115
Page Number: 47
John Allen 39 Collector of Debts
Sarah Jane Allen 31
Frances Maria Allen 11
Juliana Allen 9
Arthur Allen 6
Emma Allen 1 b.ca 1850, St George the Martyr
NO ............ Emma and Frances can't be sisters ............. Emma is too young to marry John Thomas in 1863!!! She'd only be about 13!
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from ancestry ...........
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1863
Marriage Place: St Peter, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Spouse: Emma Allen
Register Type: Parish Register
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John
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- 12 Elizabeth Street
Father:- Deceased (no name given)
Emma
Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 12 Elizabeth Street
Father & Occupation:- John Allen, Porter
Witnesses:- J. Adams and F. Tannar
John Thomas' first marriage?
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1855
Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: John Gladden
Spouse: Mary Ann Amelia Holding
Register Type: Parish Register
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John
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- Bird Cage Walk
Father & Occupation:- John Gladden, Cabinet Maker
Mary Ann Amelia
Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 27 Bird Cage Walk
Father & Occupation:- William Holding, Builder
Witnesses:- Thomas Adams (his mark) and John Samuel Ames
and a third marriage?????
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1877
Marriage Place: St Mary Magdalene, Southwark, Southwark, England
Father: John Gladden
Spouse: Ann Gowans
Register Type: Parish Register
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John
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- Swan Place
Father & Occupation:- John Gladdon (deceased), Cabinet Maker
Ann
Of Full Age
Widow
no occupation shown
Address:- Swan Place
Father & Occupation:- Thomas Waller (?Walter or Walker) deceased, Bricklayer
Witnesses:- Edward Hanks (??) and Emma Hanks
???Baptism of John Thomas
London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Nov 1832
Baptism Place: Shoreditch St Leonard, Hackney, England
Father: John Gladden
Mother: Sarah Gladden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- Axe Lane
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker
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This is the Gladden / Allen marriage that you found??
Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Allen Emma Bethnal Gn 1c 713
Gladden John Thomas Bethnal Gn 1c 713
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????????? as henry Gladden
1871 Census
Name: Charles Gladden
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Gladden
Gender: Male
Where born: Nazeing, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Nazeing
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Epping
Sub-registration district: Epping
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 1640
Folio: 154
Page Number: 2
Charles Gladden 28 Wheelwright
Emma Gladden 26
Ellen E Gladden 2
Henry Gladden 4 Months
BUT ............
Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
Gladden Charles Epping 4a 93
Withers Emma Epping 4a 93
NO NO ...... not yours
GLADDEN, HENRY mmn WITHERS
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 04A Page 109
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You might need to buy William Henry's birth certificate to find out who is named as his father
get a pdf from GRO for £6,
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John
Father's name can be wrong on marriage certificate for several reasons ......
1. Child was illegitimate, and gave a name because it looked better ...... any name could be chosen, eg grandfather, uncle, a well-known person, picked out of the air
2. Child had been raised by a man who married his mother, really believed said man was his father because that was the only man he had knwon
3. Real father had left the family
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I was able to find this William Henry Gladden and have found his mother was Emma Allen born Sheerness, I found she married a John Thomas Gladden but not found them together after that however I did find John Thomas Gladden as a Boarder in 1971 living with a family called Tanner also a Boarder was a William Allen ,and it states father in law, so presume this could be William Henrys father, but what has thrown me is that on his marriage to Amelia Cane it states his father is Charles Gladden, occ Carpenter
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Could this be his parents marriage (although it's a long time before his birth):-
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
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First name(s) CHARLES
Last name GLADDEN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES GLADDEN married one of these people
Harriet Parfitt, Frances Elizabeth Cottrell, >>>>>Mary Allen,<<<< Ann Louisa Freeman
District Shoreditch
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 2
Volume as transcribed 2
Page number 311
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Kath. x
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manor Road, St Mary Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England
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Household Members
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation
Surrey, England George Hyam Clark Lodger - Male 22 1849 -
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Kent, England Emma Gladden Head - Female 28 1843 -
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Surrey, England Charles John Gladden Son - Male 7 1864 -
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Surrey, England George Thos Gladden Son - Male 3 1868 -
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Surrey, England William Henry Gladden Son - Male 1 1870 -xxxxxx
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I need help please trying to find the father of William Henry Gladden born 1870 Southwark, I found his mother was name of Allen. Upon finding his marriage to Amelia Catherine Cane ,it states his father as Charles Gladden a Carpenter but I am just unable to find him.. Any help will be appreciated, thank you
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