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Below Marriage might relate also (somewhere Kendall perhaps) Residence for Both, New Cut, same as Thomas Carter on that 1852 Marriage)

Chris :)

Jane Ann Kendall (Spinster)
George Lloyd
11 Apr 1852 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Samuel (occ. Carman)
George


(as below, with Richard and Mary Wheeler, witnesses at Marriage of Thomas Carter 1852, perhaps Sarah was Susan)

1851 (Find My Past)
Richard Wheeler Head Married Male 39 1812 Laborer Middlesex, England
Mary Wheeler Wife Married Female 47 1804 - Westminster, Middlesex, England
Sarah Kendall Lodger Widow Female 31 1820 Charwoman Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Jane Kendall - Unmarried Female 22 1829 Charwoman St Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Samuel Kendall - - Male 5 1846 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Richard Kendall - - Male 3 1848 - Southwark, Surrey, England
York Place, Saint Saviour, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey,


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)

Jane Ann Kendall
3 Apr 1831 (Born 13 Jan 1829) St Marylebone Christ Church Westminster
Samuel (Father Deceased)
Sarah
(Abode, Dudley Street Paddington)


London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003 (Ancestry)

Samuel Kendall
Burial 12 Apr 1830 Saint Marylebone, Westminster
(Abode, Bell Street. Age 28)


(possibly below Marriage)

Samuel Kendall
26 Apr 1824 St James, Paddington
Sarah Bonner


Birth
KENDALL, RICHARD (HATCH)
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 04 Page 563

Probably not, but posting for info, just in case
The only baptisms for Kendall with father Samuel


John Kendall
23 Apr 1826 St Marylebone Christ Church Westminster Samuel,
Sarah born 30 Dec 1825

William Kendall
23 Apr 1826 St Marylebone Christ Church Westminster Samuel,
Sarah born Jan 6, 1823

Father's occ: Scavenger

Address: 36, Bell Street

(well done there Dea then!, lol, shame we can't see that Marriage image)...

Will be going out shortly (when I can find me other bloomin' glove!) but will look in later, hopefully John might have given us some more info!...

Chris :)

(saw below)

Death
KENDALL, SAMUEL (29)
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 04 Page 993

I have been following that mariage and it is all linked:

The witnesses lived at the address given on the marriage:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, Queens Place, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Carter Head Married Male 42 1819 Carman Brighton, Surrey, England
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Susan Carter Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Westminster, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Carter Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Miriam Carter Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Joseph Lamzed Visitor Unmarried Male 19 1842 Labourer Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Joseph Knight Visitor Unmarried Male 19 1842 Labourer Lambeth, Surrey, England


Susan had been a Kendal but only by marriage to Samuel (she was a widow):

Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
Banister John Lambeth 1d 312 Scan available - click to view
Carter Thomas Lambeth 1d 312 Scan available - click to view***
Green Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 312 Scan available - click to view
Kendal Susan Lambeth 1d 312 Scan available - click to view***


Previous marriage:
Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
Hatch Susan St Pancras 1 347 Scan available - click to view
Kendall Samuel St Pancras 1 347 Scan available - click to view

Birth of a son:
KENDALL, SAMUEL JOSEPH HATCH Order
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 271 Order

We need details of that marriage to Samuel to see how he fits with the others!!

Dea x

Is that Thomas below...

Where did you find (or see) reference William John Kendall?...

Chris :)

(below are about, but not Address for 1851 and 61 posted)

All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)

Thomas Kendall
19 Jan 1851 (Born 3 Jan 1851) Newington St Mary Southwark
John (occ. Labourer)
Elizabeth
(Abode, Charles St.)


Mary Ann Kendall
3 Jul 1859 (Born 17 June) Newington St Mary Southwark
John (occ. Labourer)
Elizabeth
(Abode, Walworth Road)


(there is below about, but just might be a coincidence!)

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931 (Ancestry)

John Kendall (Bachelor, occ. Labourer)
9 Sep 1861 St Mary, Lambeth
Elizabeth (Spinster)
(his Father, Samuel, occ. Labourer, her Father, John Greggy (Deceased) occ. Labourer. Wits. Thomas Carter, Susannah Carter. Residence for Both, Queens Place)

and this looks like John :-D

KENDALL, JOHN mmn GIGGY
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 04 Page 517


I can't see a marriage

Possible they didn't marry????

One reference below, by looks of it!...

Chris :)

Birth
KENDALL, THOMAS FREDERICK (GRIGGY)
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 04 Page 593

(another)

Birth
KENDALL, MARY ANN (GREGGY)
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ST GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK Volume 01D


(if below family?)

1851 (Find My Past)
John Kendal Head Married Male 25 1826 Car Man Paddington, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Kendal Wife Married Female 25 1826 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Sarah Kendal Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex, England
John Kendal Son - Male 3 1848 - Christchurch, Surrey, England
Thomas Kendal Son - Male 0 1851 - Christchurch, Surrey, England
Martin Street, Saint George the Martyr, St George Southwark, London & Surrey,


1861 (Find My Past)
John Kindell Head Married Male 35 1826 Dustman St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Betsey Kindell Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
Sarah Kindell Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - St George's, Surrey, England
John Kindell Son - Male 13 1848 - St George's, Surrey, England
William Kendall Son - Male 7 1854 - St George's, Surrey, England
Betsey Kendall Daughter - Female 7 1854 - St George's, Surrey, England
Mary Kendall Daughter - Female 1 1860 - St George's, Surrey, England
15, Martin Street, St George the Martyr, St George Southwark, London & Surrey,


Birth
KENDALL, SARAH (GRIGGS)
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 272

When were the children born, please? And where?

Same for WJK, please.

I am still trying to go down the Gladden line and would appreciate some more help please. I have a Wiiliam John Kendall who married an Elizabeth , well I presume they married, I just can't find a marriage for them. I have found William under different spellings of his name plus he mostly goes under name of John , regarding Elizabeth I have looked on the Gro and found some of their children , all under different spellings of mother, as being Gregory, Greigy ,.Griggy, I am unable to find William or Elizabeth in the 1841 census before they had their children. Many thanks if you could help me out.

So Alice Pye can be ruled out, obviously a different John Mordaunt.. As you stated Erika it looks like John and Jane never married. Think I must accept it as that, thank you so much for your help. Carry on doing the good work, it's keeping you young ....lol

So Alice Pye can be ruled out, obviously a different John Mordaunt.. As you stated Erika it looks like John and Jane never married. Think I must accept it as that, thank you so much for your help. Carry on doing the good work, it's keeping you young ....lol

http://www.mordaunt.me.uk/lancs.html

(John and Family info. are on above, but not seeing a Marriage)

Chris :)

This is the woman who was born Alice Pye

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Burscough Street Swan Inn, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Alice Mordaunt Female 40 1801 Lancashire, England Transcription
William Mordaunt Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England Transcription
Margaret Mordaunt Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Pye Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England Transcription

Her first husband's death

Burial: 22 May 1839 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Mordaunt -
Age: 45 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 422, Entry 1639
Source: LDS Film 1849664

She re-married

Marriage: 13 Feb 1844 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
James Valentine - (X), Full, Farmer, Bachelor, Burscough
Alice Mordaunt - Full, Widow, Ormskirk
Groom's Father: Stephen Valentine, Farmer
Witness: Stephen Valentine; James Kennedy
Married by Licence by: S.Cavan Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1846, Page 161, Entry 322
Source: LDS Film 1849665

John. I'm not far off 80 myself, so I do understand......lol!

I think this is John Mordaunt's death, but it doesn't help with his marriage.

First name(s) JOHN
Last name MORDAUNT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1820
Age 84
Death quarter 1
Death year 1904
District Ormskirk
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 576

Frankly, I don't think he and Jane Rimmer ever married

I can't see the marriage to Alice Pye which you mention. When did that take place?

EDIT: Found it

Marriage: 9 Jan 1832 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Mordaunt - Ormskirk
Alice Pye - Ormskirk
Witness: William Twist; George Wignall
Married by Licence by: Charles Forshaw Off:Minister
Register: Marriages 1827 - 1837, Page 77, Entry 229
Source: LDS Film 1849664

He would have been only 10 or 11 years of age at that time

Erika. Sorry about the mix up of names, I appreciate your time in looking up for me, I am 80 now so not on the ball all the time when trying to do so many families at the same time. I had found. a John Thomas Gardner on Gro , his mother down as Jane unmarried and he was born in Ormskirk in the Workhouse so maybe that 's where the name Thomas came in. I have studied all you have sent and it looks like you have found him. Regarding John Mordaunt b 1821 I have found no marriage of him to a Jane Rimmer but found one to an Alice Pye do you think that could be a 1st marriage.

Ellen Gardner was born in 1866 - so she was 22 when the child John was born. No indication in my research that he had a second forename

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clives Hills, Aughton, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Rimmer Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England Transcription
Rebecca Rimmer Female 45 1796 Lancashire, England Transcription
Jane Rimmer Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England Transcription************
Mary Rimmer Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England Transcription
Rebecca Rimmer Female 9 1832 Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Rimmer Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England Transcription**************
Henry Rimmer Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England Transcription
James Rimmer Male 20 1821 Lancashire, England Transcription
John Rimmer Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Rimmer Male 14 1827 Lancashire, England Transcription
Roger Rimmer Male 14 1827 Lancashire, England Transcription
William Rimmer Male 12 1829 Lancashire, England

You must have missed the 1851 census I posted for Jane........................today at 16.32

The one record which is eluding me is a marriage between John Mordaunt and Jane. It may be that there simply wasn't one!

Copied from page one

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GARDNER, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 751

No MMN recorded, so his mother was unmarried

Baptism - you're in luck

Baptism: 18 Nov 1888 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Gardner - [Child] of Ellen Gardner
Abode: Aughton
Occupation: Singlewoman
Notes: Fathers name entered as Robert John and crossed out
Baptised by: JE Woodrow - Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1877 - 1897, Page 274, Entry 2185
Source: LDS Film 1849665

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Not sure where you got the name EMMA..................

And there were no penalties for not registering births until 1875 - which meant that many people didn't bother - especially if the child was illegitimate

Here's Ellen's baptism -again

Baptism: 23 Sep 1838 St Michael, Aughton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Rimmer - [Child] of Jane Rimmer, Spinster
Abode: Aughton
Baptised by: W.H.Boulton Rector
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1842, Page 178, Entry 1419
Source: LDS Film 1657556

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