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I need help please trying to find the father of William Henry Gladden born 1870 Southwark, I found his mother was name of Allen. Upon finding his marriage to Amelia Catherine Cane ,it states his father as Charles Gladden a Carpenter but I am just unable to find him.. Any help will be appreciated, thank you

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manor Road, St Mary Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

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Household Members
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation
Surrey, England George Hyam Clark Lodger - Male 22 1849 -
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Kent, England Emma Gladden Head - Female 28 1843 -
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Surrey, England Charles John Gladden Son - Male 7 1864 -
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Surrey, England George Thos Gladden Son - Male 3 1868 -
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Surrey, England William Henry Gladden Son - Male 1 1870 -xxxxxx

Could this be his parents marriage (although it's a long time before his birth):-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
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First name(s) CHARLES
Last name GLADDEN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES GLADDEN married one of these people
Harriet Parfitt, Frances Elizabeth Cottrell, >>>>>Mary Allen,<<<< Ann Louisa Freeman
District Shoreditch
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 2
Volume as transcribed 2
Page number 311
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

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I was able to find this William Henry Gladden and have found his mother was Emma Allen born Sheerness, I found she married a John Thomas Gladden but not found them together after that however I did find John Thomas Gladden as a Boarder in 1971 living with a family called Tanner also a Boarder was a William Allen ,and it states father in law, so presume this could be William Henrys father, but what has thrown me is that on his marriage to Amelia Cane it states his father is Charles Gladden, occ Carpenter

John


Father's name can be wrong on marriage certificate for several reasons ......

1. Child was illegitimate, and gave a name because it looked better ...... any name could be chosen, eg grandfather, uncle, a well-known person, picked out of the air

2. Child had been raised by a man who married his mother, really believed said man was his father because that was the only man he had knwon

3. Real father had left the family

You might need to buy William Henry's birth certificate to find out who is named as his father

get a pdf from GRO for £6,

????????? as henry Gladden

1871 Census

Name: Charles Gladden
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Gladden
Gender: Male
Where born: Nazeing, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Nazeing
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Epping
Sub-registration district: Epping
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 1640
Folio: 154
Page Number: 2

Charles Gladden 28 Wheelwright
Emma Gladden 26
Ellen E Gladden 2
Henry Gladden 4 Months


BUT ............

Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
Gladden Charles Epping 4a 93
Withers Emma Epping 4a 93



NO NO ...... not yours

GLADDEN, HENRY mmn WITHERS
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 04A Page 109

This is the Gladden / Allen marriage that you found??

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Allen Emma Bethnal Gn 1c 713
Gladden John Thomas Bethnal Gn 1c 713

from ancestry ...........

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1863
Marriage Place: St Peter, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Spouse: Emma Allen
Register Type: Parish Register

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John
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- 12 Elizabeth Street
Father:- Deceased (no name given)

Emma
Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 12 Elizabeth Street
Father & Occupation:- John Allen, Porter

Witnesses:- J. Adams and F. Tannar



John Thomas' first marriage?

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1855
Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: John Gladden
Spouse: Mary Ann Amelia Holding
Register Type: Parish Register

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John
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- Bird Cage Walk
Father & Occupation:- John Gladden, Cabinet Maker

Mary Ann Amelia
Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 27 Bird Cage Walk
Father & Occupation:- William Holding, Builder

Witnesses:- Thomas Adams (his mark) and John Samuel Ames


and a third marriage?????

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1877
Marriage Place: St Mary Magdalene, Southwark, Southwark, England
Father: John Gladden
Spouse: Ann Gowans
Register Type: Parish Register

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John
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Cabinet Maker
Address:- Swan Place
Father & Occupation:- John Gladdon (deceased), Cabinet Maker

Ann
Of Full Age
Widow
no occupation shown
Address:- Swan Place
Father & Occupation:- Thomas Waller (?Walter or Walker) deceased, Bricklayer

Witnesses:- Edward Hanks (??) and Emma Hanks



???Baptism of John Thomas

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: John Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Nov 1832
Baptism Place: Shoreditch St Leonard, Hackney, England
Father: John Gladden
Mother: Sarah Gladden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- Axe Lane
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker

Looking at that 1871 Census, John Allen is not the father-in-law of John Thomas ........ John is entered above John Thomas and that means he is gather-in-law to the Head of the household, William Tanner


1871 Census

Name John Gladden
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Relation Boarder
Gender Male
Where born Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish St Matthew
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Household schedule number 140
Piece 612
Folio 17
Page number 28

William Tanner 37
Frances Tanner 33
William Tanner 13
George Tanner 11
Fanny Tanner 9
Matilda Tanner 6
Lottie Tanner 3
John Allen 63 Father-in-Law
John Gladden 38 Boarder
Emily Roffey 14


from Freebmd ........

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
Allen Frances Hackney 1b 442
TANNER William Hackney 1b 442



It looks as though Frances Allen and Emma Allen were sisters .....

1851 Census

Name: Frances Maria Allen
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Allen
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Allen
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b

Piece: 1513
Folio: 115
Page Number: 47

John Allen 39 Collector of Debts
Sarah Jane Allen 31
Frances Maria Allen 11
Juliana Allen 9
Arthur Allen 6
Emma Allen 1 b.ca 1850, St George the Martyr


NO ............ Emma and Frances can't be sisters ............. Emma is too young to marry John Thomas in 1863!!! She'd only be about 13!

???? death of John Thomas' first wife, as Ann?????

GLADDEN, ANN 32
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 167


??? Emma's death

GLADDEN, EMMA 50
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 153

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Charles John Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1863
Baptism Place: Lambeth St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, England
Father: John Gladden
Mother: Emma Gladden
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Born 31 May 1863
Address:- London Road
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker


Name: Emma Charlotte Gladden
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1865
Baptism Place: Lambeth St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, England
Father: John Thomas Gladden
Mother: Emma Gladden
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Born 5 Aug 1865
Address:- Borough Road
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker


Name: George Thomas Gladden
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1867
Baptism Place: Walworth St Peter, Southwark, England
Father: John Thomas Gladden
Mother: Emma Gladden
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Born Aug 22 `1867
Address:- 11 Narriot (??) Road, Camberwell
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker


I cannot find a baptism for William Henry

I also cannot find what happened to Emma Charlotte

Found Emma Charlotte!!

her age on the image is 38, giving birth year of about 1863/64

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: Emma Charlotte Gladden
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 4 Apr 1904
Marriage Place: Walworth Common, Southwark, England
Father: John Gladden
Spouse: William James Flannery
Register Type: Parish Register

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Emma
Age 38
Spinster
Occupation:- Domestic Servant
Address:-46 Thurlow Street
Father Occupation:- Cabinet Maker, deceased


??Emma in 1891

1891 Census

Name: Emma C Gladden
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1866
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints St Stephens
Residence Place: London City, Newington St Mary, London, England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, Institution or Vessel: 18a

Piece: 359
Folio: 24

Henry L Bergamin 31
Emma L Bergamin 25
Emma E Bergamin 4
Henry S Bergamin 3
William E Bergamin 1
Edward P Clark 15
Gertrude Beatrice Clark 42
Sarah J Slaughter 28
Emma C Gladden 25 Single, Mantle Maker

Address:- 29 Mann St


??? 1901 Census

Name: Emma C Gladden
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Christchurch, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
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Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kennington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 03

Piece: 412
Folio: 60
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 120

Fanny M Parsons 23
Winifred E Parsons 3
Emma C Gladden 36 Domestic

Address:- 31 Princes Square

GLADDEN, WILLIAM HENRY ALLEN
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 137

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
Gladden John Thomas 65 St. Saviour 1d 42

Sorry at delay in getting back, it's been a busy day for me. Wow thank you so much Sylviain for your info, must try and get my head around it all now. I will get the cert for William Henry Gladden as you suggested. I was hoping to find as much as I could about William Henry because his grandson Edward Henry is still alive age 92 but sadly his brother Herbert James died a few days ago age 97 so it's not the right time to bother Edward. They are the sons of Bertie James, son of William Henry and Amelia. Looking at the birth of John Allen father of Frances Allen (Tanner) and Emma Allen (Gladden) he was born in Sheerness Kent the same place where I found Emma Gladden was born

I have found the following which is interesting. On the 1st marriage of John Thomas Gladden to Mary Ann Holding I see a witness was a Thomas Adams. on the 2nd Marriage to Emma Allen I see a witness was a J. Adams. Finding the marriage of the parents of John Thomas Gladden, John Samuel Gladden married Sarah Adams, so obviously the witnesses in both marriages for John Thomas Gladden were connected in some sort to his mother. John Samuel Gladden, occ. Cabinet Maker on 1841 census

John

Thomas Adams and J. Adams could be the same person ................... J and T in copper plate writing can look almost identical.

I remember looking at the image of those two marriages, adn I honestly would not swear 100% that it was J. Adams or T. Adams!

I have tracked down Emma Charlotte Gladden b 1865 who I didn't know about because she wasn't in with family in 1871, neither was her father John Thomas Gladden. Emma C was listed under the name of Gladding and 1871 was in the household of Charles Allen the younger brother of her mother. She wasn't in the household in 1881 but I see where she was in later census via the posts above

Is it possible to help me track down another family. It is a John Gardner born 1889 Aughton, Ormskirk dist. I have tried finding his parents without any luck. In 1901 he was living in Aughton , states he is 2 yrs old and great grandson to John and Jane Mordaunt, seems they had a few grandchildren in the household including a Ellen Gardner states granddaughter b 1867 so age approx 14 yrs old, I am beginning to wonder if Ellen was the mother of John, if that be the case then she would have only been 13 yrs old when she had him. Found no marriage for a Gardner/Mordaunt, the family all seems a mystery to me. Any help will be appreciated

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GARDNER, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 751

No MMN recorded, so his mother was unmarried

Baptism - you're in luck

Baptism: 18 Nov 1888 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Gardner - [Child] of Ellen Gardner
Abode: Aughton
Occupation: Singlewoman
Notes: Fathers name entered as Robert John and crossed out
Baptised by: JE Woodrow - Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1877 - 1897, Page 274, Entry 2185
Source: LDS Film 1849665