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I'm trying to find the birth and parents of Elizabeth Drake. She married William Vere(Vear) in 1796 in Newton Ferrers, Devon. They had two children, Mary b. 1801 and William b.1805. There are probably more but these are the only ones I've found. I would really like to find Elizabeth's parents.
Thanks.

there's a few elizabeth drake born devon 1770 --1782

this elizabeth is from where the 2 children are born


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Drake
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1773
Baptism date 25 Jul 1773
Place Yealmpton
County Devon
Country England
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Drake
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thanks, this looks like a strong possibility. Where did you find it?

hi Yvonne
found it on find my past
devon parish records

Working back from this birth for Elizabeth I found a baptism for James (father) for 20 Oct 1757 with parents John & Joan. I also found a marriage for John Drake and Joan Penwill in 1755. On the banns for this marriage (in findmypast) it gives the names with something that looks like Jun? printed after each of their names. Any suggestions what that might mean.
Thanks.

hi
just had a look at the marriage for john and joan
it does look like jun?
sorry don't know what it means
abby

Thanks anyway for taking a look - it's got me beat.

hi
you could try here and send an e-mail
http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/contacts.htm

For general enquiries, email [email protected]

Elizabeth in 1841?


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dunstone, Yealmpton, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England

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First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Edmund Steer Male 20 1821 Devon, England
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Mary Steer Female 20 1821 Devon, England
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John Thorn Male 40 1801 Devon, England
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Mary Thorn Female 35 1806 Devon, England
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John Thorn Male 15 1826 Devon, England
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Mary Thorn Female 13 1828 Devon, England
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Elizabeth Thorn Female 6 1835 Devon, England
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Emma Thorn Female 2 1839 Devon, England
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>>Elizabeth Vare Female 70 1771 Devon, England

The word looks like Junr to me. Obviously now that would mean Junior, as in the parent was also called this name.

I wonder if in this context, it means they were both very young? Just a guess, Hopefully you'll get an explanation from safc's suggestion to email the records office.

Just come in to this one and had a look at the banns.

I also think it says Jun r for Junior and wonder if there were 2 John Drake's and 2 Joan Penwill's in the village and the Vicar was trying to distinguish which were marrying.

If this were to be Joan's baptism her Mother is also named Joan. However, unless baptised sometime after birth she would be only c16 years old when she married, so the suggestion of Junr noting of young age could also stand.

Devon Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Joan
Last name Pinwell
Birth year 1739
Birth date ? ? 1739
Baptism year 1739
Baptism date 05 Nov 1739
Denomination Anglican
Place Yealmpton
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Joan
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive reference 731/2
Page 65
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record

Thanks everyone. I too wondered if it meant junior - it does have a question mark after it and that threw me too. I will take the suggestion and email the records office. Stay tuned.

Your question mark may well be a full stop after Jun. with an r above it - a recognised abbreviation for Junior

I sent off an email to the devonfhc (thanks safc) and they got right back to me ... I was quite impressed. The lady at first thought it meant junior but had never seen it used for a daughter before. She thinks it has a colon, but she's going to talk to some of her co-volunteers tomorrow and also look at the old handwriting book to see if that helps at all.

The more I look at it, I think you might be right greyghost - it does look like a full stop with an r above it.

I heard back from the devonfhc and they say that everyone agrees it's junior, and all are a little perplexed about the junior attached to the bride's name. They think it would be interesting to know if the mother's name was Joan.

On the above note, I did a search to see if I could find Joan's mother but wasn't lucky. I did find a Joan Clowter married to a Joseph Penwill in 1736 and found three children, Agnes, Joseph and Sarah but no Joan.

Thanks for all your help.

Joan's baptism already posted as a possible. A marriage at 16 would not be unusual.

There are another 2 baptisms with Joseph and Joan as parents in Yealmpton.

Joan Pinwell 1739 1739 Anglican Joseph Yealmpton

Agnes Penwill 1737 1737 Anglican Joseph Yealmpton 12 April

Sarah Penwill 1743 1743 Anglican Joseph Yealmpton 2nd Oct.

Thanks greyghost. Where did you find Joan's baptism ... I could only find the others.

Find My Past - Devon Baptisms

Thanks again greyghost.