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On Ancestry there appears to be six children:

Name: Mary Lynch
Birth Date: 1869
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1869
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Stele

Name: James Lynch
Birth Date: 1870
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1870
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Steel

Name: Jeremiah Lynch
Birth Date: 1872
Baptism Date: 29 Dec 1872
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Steele

Name: Sarah Lynch
Birth Date: 1874
Baptism Date: 8 Nov 1874
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Steele

Name: Francis Lynch
Birth Date: 1876
Baptism Date: 17 Dec 1876
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Steele

Name: Patrick Lynch
Birth Date: 1878
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1878
Baptism Place: Aghada, Cork, Ireland
Diocese: Cloyne
Father: Jeremiah Lynch
Mother: Catherine Steele

Chris...Cloyne Aghada Whitegate...all together....

Laird....In case you don't have the following this is Mary Lynch's family


For some reason there are no entries for Marriages between end July 1866 and beginning Sept.1866 I the Aghada Register.....!!!





Name Jeremiah Lynch
Spouse's Name Catherine Steele
Event Date 30 Aug 1866
Event Place Cork County, Ireland
Father's Name Michael Lynch
Spouse's Father's Name James Steele
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single


Children...All Baptised Aghada RC Chapel

Michael. Baptised Jan 26 1868 Godparents...Pat.Lynch and Jane ? Wilkinson
Mary. Baptised Jan.31 1869 Godparents...John Lynch and Bridget Cashman
James Baptised 25 Dec.1870 Godparents..James Steel and ? Fitzgerald
Francis Baptised 17 Dec 1876.

Still 1 child missing.. possibly born between James and Frances

http://www.newportpast.com/records/directories/johns1914/search_data.php?name=fleming&house=&occupation=&Submit=Submit

(same address 1914)


http://www.newportpast.com/records/index.php

(1897, but not seeing)

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=james%20fleming%20cork&_hb=tna&_col=200

(one above Cloyne, if anywhere near Whitegate, but not right Birth year)

Laird..Still cannot find another Birth in Cork (Middleton) for James and Mary....

Marys parents ..Jeremiah died 1910
Catherine died 1918...
The 1911 Census shows she was a widow but fortunately stated she had been married 40 yrs..had 5 children and only 2 living.
Check 1901 and 1911 Census there is a James Lynch (Tailor) living Whitegate..he is their son Mary's brother..he married Brid.Murphy in 1898

So I need to look for records in Wales most likely about 1915-25 for James Fleming death record. Specific likely to Newport. Thanks everyone this has been amazing.

That's not the third child GlasgowLass as, from the GRO index the mmn is Olsen.

Well found on those census GlasgowLass!

Incidentally is there a death record for Mary Frances (Fanny) Fleming's dad James Fleming? I assume before 1928.

There's a Minnie that was very close to my nana Emily Nelson i'm not sure of the relationship though. Photo attached.....looks very 1960's though.

https://imgur.com/a/mbe3D

A random, semi educated guess.

Is this the 3rd Fleming child?

Birth:
Mary Elizabeth Fleming
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Newport

Death:
Mary E Fleming
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar ( just before 1911 census)
Age at Death: 2
Registration district: Newport


Minnie's death?

Minnie Fleming
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 44
Registration district: Newport

I Know exactly what you mean Rootgatherer.
My mum left Ireland at 19yrs.
She had still had a strong accent when I was young but apart from the odd word or saying, she was ":Pure Dead Glasgow" by middle age

By Contrast her cousins were all born in Glasgow.
They were evacuated back to Ireland after the Clydebank Blitz and returned there after the war.
They only lived in Ireland for 6yrs!
Their mother was Irish ( my grandmother's sister) but these cousins still have Irish accents and they are in their 70's and 80's now

Woo Hoo.
Glad that's sorted then.

Very well done GlasgowLass. What a find!

Regarding the Irish accent, until I started researching family history, I thought my Grandmother was Irish. She kinda led us to believe she was and spoke with a slight Irish accent. Turned out she was born in Scotland of Irish parents.her family moved to Ireland when she was 7 but she returned at 18. Guess she was just proud of her Irish heritage. By contrast, my other grandmother was Irish born and lived there until she was 15 and didn't have an Irish accent at all :-) :-) :-)

GlasgowLass have just found this in my archive suddenly things fall into place :-)

https://imgur.com/a/oFNyH

Did your mother know her as Fanny?

Also, the 1911 census states that Minnie had 3 children with just one still living... Mary Frances (Fanny)

Jeremiah was born 1896 and died 1897
Who was the other child?

GlasgowLass your amazing! :-D

I think that I found your great grandmother Laird

1) James Fleming and May Browne married in 1887 and we can find the births of 2 sons.
They can be eliminated
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2) James Fleming and Mary Lynch married in 1891 and we can find the births of 2 children:
Mary Frances 1893 and Jeremiah 1896.

There is a matching death of Jeremiah Fleming age1 registered in Monmouthshire
Jeremiah Fleming
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Newport

1901 census:
10 New Street, Newport

James Fleming 35 seaman b Whitegate, Cork
Minnie Fleming 30 Wife b Whitegate, Cork
Fanny Fleming 7 dau B Whitegate, Cork

At 1911 the family are at 47 Alexandra Road, Newport.
The house is full of relatives and lodgers
The original is a mess and the transcript is worse, but it is the family of James Fleming and Mary Lynch.
Minnie Fleming signed the census

Mary Frances is still entered as Fanny Fleming

Name Age
......James Fleming 47 Seaman b Ireland
William Smith 45
Mike Feen 36
Timothy Keenan 35
John Henwood 40
Alf Linde 45
Peter Linstrum 30
Patsy Doram 21
""""Minnie Fleming 43 Wife B Ireland
.....Janny Fleming 18 Original clearly says Fanny
Dan Chelson 50
Mary Lynch 18 Cousin b Bristol?
Gladys Griffiths 10 Cousin B Bristol
Thomas Meale 53
James Dockney 33
Thomas Collins 33

Irish accent when your mother was a child??
She left Ireland at the age of 3 or 4 but, she either moved back to Ireland or lived among other Irish people.
Last seen in Wales 1911 and married in Durham 17 yrs later.!

Ok i'm working almost blind here so i text my mum and i ask her why did she think her grandmother Mary Frances Fleming/Nelson is Irish, she thought it was a joke.....her answer was because she knew her when she was a little girl and said she had an Irish accent and was from Cork.

Folks i gotta work with what I got, i'm 30% Irish in my DNA and my mum is telling me her grandma was Irish. :-)

'The 1939 register has Mary Frances Fleming (Nelson) date of birth as 17th August 1893, but the birth certificate gives a birth date of 27th September 1893. Are you certain she was born Ireland?'

AustinQ I was pretty sure up until tonight that my great grandmother was from Ireland, County Cork. My mum who knew her granny when she was little said she had a strong accent.

Obviously i've looked for a English possibility and there is none that I can find. My AncestryDNA is picking up that i am 30% Irish so it looks very likely that the Fleming connection is Irish and yes I know that's not a given. From my other thread I see I have an Irish connection via the Frizzell.

Your help and you others much appreciated.......i'd really like to resolve this mystery :-)

Here is Mary Frances Fleming-

https://imgur.com/a/dVy7L

Then this Church marriage record for James Fleming & Mary Lynch 1891-

https://imgur.com/a/94eV9