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Well there you go Laird.
Wonder if it's an Irish thing?
My ggg grandfather gave me a merry dance too and I had to piece all the bits together.
He too remarried and claimed to be a bachelor.
When he died, just a few years later, his very young widow knocked more than 20yrs off his age.
The 2 docs combined made him look like a completely different person.

However, he left an extremely substantial will
He also named his benefactors and their relationship to him.

They included his 25yr old, married GRAND DAUGHTER and her family.
Her husband was even an executor of this will.

How could a man of 50yrs , who married as a bachelor just a few years before, be the grandfather of a 25yr old?
How could he omit his other two grandchildren?
He raised them from an early age along with their sister, who was the included grand daughter !

Laird..I am wondering if Daniel was a Casualty of WW1..??

He is living Coronation Rd..Cwmbran with his parents and brothers and sisters 1911


All children born Cwmbran

Name

Age


John Smith 46 b Wiltshire
Julia Smith 42 b Cwmbran
Daniel Smith 22
Rosa Smith 19
Gertrude Smith 14
John Smith 12
May Smith 9
Albert Smith 6
Arthur Smith 4

My general feeling is that he wasn't a WW1 death- If that was the case, then Mary surely would have married when her first child with Mr Nelson was due- as it was she didn't marry Richard Nelson until 1928.

Great news on those certificates.

What was the date of birth on Mary Angela's birth certificate Laird?

Have you found her on the 1939 register?

(off track a moment!, but below for a 1917 Marriage (Rosa), and further on image, could be Brother Arthur, from 1911)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

30 Star Street , Cwmbran U.D., Monmouthshire,
John P Reynolds 14 Sep 1922 Male Tin Works Drawer H Single
Rosa Reynolds 08 Sep 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


SMITH, ROSA JANE (DESMOND)
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 240


Birth
SMITH, ARTHUR DESMOND (DESMOND)
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in NEWPORT, MON. Volume 11A Page 293


Birth
SMITH, DANIEL (DESMOND)
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 225


Marriages Jun 1930 (>99%)
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Smith Arthur D Strong Newport M. 11a 569
Strong Ethel M Smith Newport M. 11a 569


Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
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DESMOND Julia Newport, M. 11a 330
Smith John Hook Newport,M. 11a 330


1939...

Coronation Road , Cwmbran U.D., Monmouthshire,
John Smith 08 May 1865 Male Foundry Worker (Casting) Widowed

(living next door, below couple, his Daughter)


Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Gray Rees Smith Newport M. 11a 608
Smith Gertrude Gray Newport M. 11a 608


Deaths Mar 1939 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------
Smith Julia 69 Caerleon 11a 309


(now back to where you were folks, lol)

Laird...have just been looking over the thread and according to everything Iread about RHNelson he was a Boiler Maker...Chris Ho :) thread Jan 20 18.20 also has what appears to be his BoilerMaker's Union details...1939 Household details also....
If he was a Boiler Maker..how come his occup. was a Brickie's Laborer 1928 when he got married...????

I just uploaded Mary Angela Smith birth certificate, it was 21st May 1915 at 36 Alexander Road, Newport. Fathers occupation Dock Labourer.....starting to see some maritime feel here with this lot :-) I would say it looks unlikely that Daniel Smith was in the army based on the birth period of Angela......it's possible he was already engaged in essential war effort work so would not likely have been permitted to enlist.

The connection between Daniel Smith and Richard Henry Nelson both having the same trade can not be a coincidence. You can't help but wonder if there was some sort of intrigue here and Richard whisked off Mary Frances Smith to Stockton. I assume he must have remarried and at some point therefore needed to officially divorce Mary Frances.

https://imgur.com/a/vQIpS

Wondering if this is Mary- the V stands for Veronica- I'm not sure where it came from though as it doesn't appear on her marriage or on the 1939 register!:

Death:
Name: Mary Angela V Arbuckle
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: 21 May 1915
Registration Date: Dec 1999
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: A7
District and Subdistrict: 3501A
Entry Number: 33
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She married in Scotland:

Marriage:
Name: SAMUEL ROBERT ARBUCKLE
Spouse: MARY ANGELA SMITH
Year of marriage: 1937
Ref: 479/ 300
RD Name: Falkirk
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The same couple in 1939:

Arbuckle Household (5 People) 46 Hume Street , Stockton R.D., Durham, England

Samuel R Arbuckle 29 Jun 1915 Male Iron Moulder Married
Mary A Arbuckle 21 May 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Robert H Arbuckle 19 Sep 1938 Male Under School Age Single
John W Bean 30 Mar 1913 Male Ice Cream Vens? Newspaper Sales? Single
-------------------------------

You would need to buy a few credits on Scotland's People to see the marriage cert to be sure it was the correct Mary.

Found out tonight Minnie was indeed called Arbuckle. So you found the right one!

Birth
ARBUCKLE
SAMUEL ROBERT
M
1915
473/ 117
Bonnybridge

Death:
Samuel Robert Arbuckle
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1915
Registration Date: Apr 1995
Registration district: Central Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Register Number: D48

This must be the birth of their son:
ARBUCKLE
ROBERT HENRY
M
1938
473/ 87
Bonnybridge


Possible Marriage:

Robert H Arbuckle
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1962
Registration district: Durham South Eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Spouse: Vera Hamilton

and his death:
Robert H Arbuckle
Death Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1939
Registration Date: Jun 1964
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume:

Saw below...(if him)

Chris :)

Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Samuel Robert
Last name Arbuckle
Attestation year 1940
Service number 1088276

(looks like he was Discharged. (xvi. No longer phsically fit for war service)

And...Samuel Henry Arbuckle

Worthing Herald 31 January 1941

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/65509209
He was accused of theft in 1941 whilst still a serving soldier.

Worthing Herald 14 February 1941

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/65509225
Charge was dismissed and he was ordered to pay costs


Edit:
The 1939 register has a closed record.
Could this be an infant who was born at the end of 1939 and registered at beginning of 1940?

Mary T J Arbuckle
Mother's Maiden Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1940
Registration district: Durham South Eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 172

AustinQ yes you were right, came up trumps!

Marriage:
Name: SAMUEL ROBERT ARBUCKLE
Spouse: MARY ANGELA SMITH
Year of marriage: 1937
Ref: 479/ 300
RD Name: Falkirk

https://imgur.com/a/DLeLo

From this piece I learn that Daniel Smith is now deceased, that Mary is not at ease revealing that her mother Mary Frances Fleming has remarried.

On 26 Jan, Eringobragh noticed something that we all seem to have missed.

Laird obtained a copy of Mary France's birth cert via Rootsireland and yet, it has been annotated with both of her marriages.
I did wonder how the info made it's way onto her birth cert.
Last night the penny dropped. DUH!
I should have realised sooner, especially because I am currently going through the SAME process!

As my mum was born in Ireland, I have automatic rights to become an Irish Citizen and me and my children are all currently going though the application process for Irish Passport purposes

This requires an original copy of my Mum's birth cert x4 ( one for each of us) plus the same for her Scottish marriage and, as she has since passed away, we also each require an original copy of her Death Cert
Also originals of of our own Births and Marriages
It cost a small fortune to order all of the docs required.
( total of 17 original certs from Ireland and Scotland)
All of this is to be sent with our applications

First thing that happens...
My birth will retrospectively be placed on the Irish Foreign Register (60yrs late LOL)
This produces an Irish Birth certificate.
At this point I will have become an Irish Citizen with the right to live and work in ROI
My Mum's birth cert will be UPDATED to include her Scottish marriage info
Thus.. creating a paper trail that leads from my Scottish birth, back to my Mum's Irish birth.

Although I am doing this in one process, I now wish to apply for an Irish Passport
The new Irish BC is used in my passport application.
( it will be interesting to see exactly what info my new BC will contain)


Therefore,
Somewhere in the past, a child or grandchild of Mary Frances has had their English/Welsh birth placed on the Irish Foreign Register.
As both marriages are showing on her BC, I guess this was done after she married for the second time

Its not impossible, but highly unlikely that Mary Frances made the applications herself and registered all of her children's births on the Foreign Register.

NB:
Great grandchildren of a person born in Ireland do not have rights to Irish citizenship unless... their own parent's birth was placed on the register BEFORE the child was born.
IE
A great grandchild child born before the parent was placed on the register does not have rights to Irish Citizenship
A chid born after, does have the right.

All of our docs were ordered over a week ago and I expect them to be delivered any day now.
We are in a rush.
It takes a few months but would like it all completed before my eldest, married daughter has a child of her own.

My children want to retain EU Citizen rights
An Irish Passport gives them that right

So I couldn't use the fact that my great grandmother Mary Frances Fleming was Irish to apply for an Irish passport?

That's correct Laird..
Only children and grandchildren born outside of Ireland can have Citizenship and can apply for an ROI passport if they wish one

Unless.... your own mother's birth ( she was a grandchild) was already placed on the Foreign Reigister BEFORE you were born, you do not qualify.

That's why we are in a rush.
My daughter is planning to have a family of her own.
If her name is not on the Reigister before a birth, the child has no rights


I have seen late 20th century births appearing on the Irish Index for a few of my relatives.
I have their Scottish Birth certs but now I understand why they are also on the Irish Index
My families with Scots born children returned to Ireland in the 1930/40s where these births were retrospectively placed on the Foreign Register.
It gave them the rights to live and work in ROI

Clearly this is a good time to have dual citizenship :-D Good luck GlassgowLass

I wrote some time ago to the Parish Church priest in Aghada to see if he could check my great grandmother Mary Frances Fleming baptism record as the dates were somewhat out of whack with her date of her birth he sent me this today-

https://imgur.com/a/37F6C

the 1911 census states that Minnie (Mary) had 3 children with just one still living... Mary Frances (Fanny) so as we know one was Jeremiah who died a year after his birth....logically this is the 3rd child.

Laird...That is James Fleming's Baptismal Cert. you have posted...????