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Thanks Chris - hope it didn't keep you up too late!

I'll have to digest this latest info and see where it gets me.

I did find an Alice married to a John Atkinson on 24 Apr 1878 and Alice's father was given as John Leech - not sure if it's relevant at all - I'll have to keep plodding.

(think Birthplaces are a bit all over the place, lol)

Chris :)

R E Allen (most likely Ralph Edwin, Glos. (Postal/Telegraph, later Superintendent)


Birth
LEACH, HENRY (CHEW)
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 544

(if H Leach)


1871 (Find My Past)
James Leach Head - Male 36 1835 - Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Leach Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lancashire, England
Henry Leach Son - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
William Leach Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
James Leach Son - Male 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Hyde Road Woodland Terrace, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire


1881
James Leach Head Widower Male 46 1835 Hulme, Lancashire, England Clerk
Henry Leach Son Single Male 17 1864 Gorton, Lancashire, England Apprentice Carriageman Bus
James Leach Son Single Male 11 1870 Gorton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Agnes Leach Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Gorton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary Ann Leach Sister - Female 55 1826 Hulme, Lancashire, England
18, Woodland Street, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire,


(ends up more complicated!)


Edits (saw below)

Isle of Man, Marriages 1598-1979 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Johnson
Sex Male
Marital status Widowed
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 30 Mar 1851
Marriage place Braddan
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Butterworth
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Widowed
Father's first name(s) Saml
Father's last name Johnson
Spouse's father's first name(s) Benjamin
Spouse's father's last name Atkinson


Baptism: 10 Dec 1815 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Alice Atkinson - Daughter of Benjamin Atkinson & Ann
Born: 3 Nov 1815
Abode: Bury
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: James Hoggins Min.
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1817, Page 182, Entry 1455
Source: LDS Film 559157


Baptism: 23 Jul 1809 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Mary Atkinson - Daughter of Benjamin Atkinson & Ann
Born: 14 Jul 1809
Abode: Bury
Register: Baptisms 1809 - 1812, Page 9, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 559161


Marriage: 12 Sep 1838 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Isaac Butterworth - full age, Laborer, Bachelor, Outwood
Alice Atkinson - full age, Spinster, Outwood
Groom's Father: William Butterworth, Farmer
Bride's Father: Benjamin Atkinson, Printer
Witness: Samuel Butterworth; Mary Stott, (X)
Married by Banns by: G. B. Sandford Curate
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1839, Page 48, Entry 96
Source: LDS Film 2356187

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


(if them)

1841 (Find My Past)
Benjamin Atkinson Male 60 1781 (Labourer) Lancashire, England
Ann Atkinson Female 65 1776
Back of Bury Lane, Bury, Lancashire,


1841
Isaac Butterworth Male 36 1805 (ag Lab) Lancashire, England
Alice Butterworth Female 26 1815 Lancashire, England
Burnden, Bolton, Lancashire,


(no advance on Robert 1841 though!)

(yes not seeing him!. Adding below for reference, but time getting on a bit for tonight)

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
Robert Lach Head Married Male 43 1808 Inn Keeper Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Lach Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Bury, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Mary E Lach Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1829 - Gorton, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
William Lach Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 App To Cabt Maker Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Sarah Lach Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Anne Leigh Niece - Female 11 1840 - Bury, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Benjamin Johnson Brother-In-Law Unmarried Male 47 1804 Pork Butcher York, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Alice Johnson Sister-In-Law Unmarried Female 35 1816 - Bury, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Jane Johnson Visitor - Female 13 1838 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
34, North Quay, Conchan, Isle of Man


1861
Robert Lench Head Married Male 53 1808 Baker Hume, Berwickshire, Scotland
Mary Lench Wife Married Female 51 1810 - Bury, England
Sarah Lench Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Confectioner Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Hinton - Widow Female 49 1812 House Servant Ireland
21, North Quay, Douglas Isle of Man, Isle of Man


https://www.manxbmd.com/cgi-bin/db.cgi?do=search_form;db=deaths

(when you search Deaths on above, you get Districts, not sure all are on 1841)


14 September 1872 - Isle of Man Times - Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of

Visitors Lists
At Mr R. LEACH'S, 21, North-quay. Mr Wm. Johnson, Liverpool Mr Edwin, & Mr R. E. Allen, Gloucester Mr, Mrs, & master H Leach, West Gorton


22 November 1878 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

Death
LEACH - Nov. 17, at 21, North -quay, Douglas, Isle of Man, aged 71, R. Leach.

Yes, I wondered that too but he's proving to be very elusive.

Yvonne .............

I think Chris might have been wondering if Robert was already in the IoM in 1841.

Thanks Chris. I can't seem to find anything that tells me whether Douglas is covered.

I've also been looking at Alice Johnston too. I can't find her in the census so I tried to find her with maiden name of Leach or Atkinson. The only one found was an Alice Leech married to John Atkinson in 1878, so that doesn't work.

(was trying to narrow down search to Douglas)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris. Not sure why I need to know if Douglas is covered on 1841 census though - am I missing something?

I thought of looking at Alice Johnston too and tried to find her marriage, but no look. I also couldn't find her on the census but I did only have a cursory look. I'll have to look a bit deeper.

Elizabeth, I did see the policeman bit but discounted it as I couldn't see it fitting in with my Robert at all.

Thanks.

Think you need to know if Douglas is covered on 1841 for a start...(below looks helpful)

http://www.iomfhs.im/

Who does Alice Johnston relate to, where is she 1841?...

Chris :)

(Malyon can you delete that above please, it's not relevant)

On your posting there, see 'Delete' option...

that one you posted Malyon was a police man according to the census page

Thanks Malyon - I'm not sure that would be him. There's a Catherine Leach mentioned and I don't have a Catherine in that line.
Thanks Chris for your info and the message board site - I have been in touch with that person.
Nothing seems certain but I do wonder where Robert was - maybe he was in the IOM scouting out a home, but I don't find him in that census either.
Thanks for your help.

could this be Robert in 1841

Event Date:
1841
Event Place:
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence Note:
Haughton Green
Gender:
Male
Age:
30-34
Age (Original):
30
Birth Year (Estimated):
1807-1811
Birthplace:
Lancashire
Registration District:
Ashton & Oldham
Parish:
Manchester
County:
Lancashire
Page Number:
22
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
581/30
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Keown

Male
60-64
Ireland
Robert Pickthall

Male
40-44
Lancashire
Hannah Pickthall

Female
35-39

John Harrop

Male
35-39
Lancashire
Elizabeth Harrop

Female
25-29

James Harrop

Male
1
Lancashire
Robert Leach xxxxx

Male
30-34
Lancashire
Catherine Leach

Female
25-29

William Corlett

Male
15-19

Presuming below for couple?...

Chris :)

Marriage: 27 Jul 1828 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Robert Leech - (X), this Parish
Mary Atkinson - (X), this Parish
Witness: Thomas Turner; James Leech
Married by Banns by: E. Hinchliffe
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1828, Page 289, Entry 867
Source: Microfilm held at Manchester Central Library

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


1841 (Find My Past) (Reference)
Mary Leach Female 30 1811 (Milliner?) Lancashire, England
Ellen Leach Female 10 1831 Lancashire, England
Joseph Leach Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
William Leach Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
Sarah Leach Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England
Ann Atkinson Female 70 1771
Back of Acton Street, Manchester, Lancashire,


1871
Robert Leach Head - Male 63 1808 - Lancashire, England
Mary Leach Wife - Female 61 1810 - Lancashire, England
Alice Johnston Sister-In-Law - Female 55 1816 - Lancashire, England
Sarah E Bell Granddaughter - Female 18 1853 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Mary A E Quayle Granddaughter - Female 4 1867 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Sarah Quayle Granddaughter - Female 2 1869 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Sarah E Leach Granddaughter - Female 11 1860 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
North Quay Temperance Hotel, Douglas, Isle of Man


(google search bringing below)

http://www.isle-of-man.com/genealogy/messageboard/index.pl/md/read/id/550471

Robert Leach, wife Mary. Robert born Manchester 1808, buried Braddan 1878. Found them on the 1851 census much to my surprise after looking for years and years around the Manchester area. They lived 21 North Quay, he was a Baker. They had a daughter Sarah who married John Quay and a daughter Mary Ellen who married Edward Bell.


Edits (where does Alice Johnston, Sister in Law fit in?)

(is Douglas covered 1841?, trying to find on Ancestry, IOM)

Yvonne .....

.... I was asking about his occupation in case it would help identify him in the 1841.

safc tried to help me by posting that census

You might have all the information from later censuses, but we're coming at the search without any of that help!

I assume you have looked for Leech as well as Leach?

or even possibly a mistranscription such as Le*ck?

Robert seems to have been a baker and an inn keeper. I have all the info about him right up to his death but I just can't find where he was in 1841.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Quay Temperance Hotel, Douglas, Isle of Man

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Leach Head - Male 63 1808 - Lancashire, England
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Mary Leach Wife - Female 61 1810 - Lancashire, England
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Alice Johnston Sister-In-Law - Female 55 1816 - Lancashire, England
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Sarah E Bell Granddaughter - Female 18 1853 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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Mary A E Quayle Granddaughter - Female 4 1867 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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Sarah Quayle Granddaughter - Female 2 1869 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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Sarah E Leach Granddaughter - Female 11 1860 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man

robert is a fancy bread maker

what was Robert's occupation?

I'm trying to find the whereabouts of Robert Leach in the 1841 census. He was born in 1807 and was married to Mary Atkinson. The family is living in Back Acton St., Manchester in 1841 but Robert isn't with them. I know he didn't die before then because he moved to the Isle of Man and that's where he died.

Thanks.