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Tawny
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15 Jan 2018 12:15 |
Thank you for confirming John and Elizabeth’s marriage , Grace's marriage and the christenings of the Chappel sisters.
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Chris Ho :)
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15 Jan 2018 08:17 |
Would be below...
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
(good link above)
Chris :)
Day Month 12-May Year 1842 Parish Or Reg District Buryan, St. Groom Fn John Groom Sn NICHOLAS Groom Age Of age Groom Residence Tredinney Groom Condition Bachelor Groom Rank Profession Labourer Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M Groom Father Name Michael Groom Father Rank Profession Labourer Bride Fn Elizabeth Bride Sn CHAPPEL Bride Age Of age Bride Residence Boscarne Bride Condition Spinster Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M Bride Father Name Nicholas Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 William Witness Sn1 Thomas Witness Fn2 Elizabeth Witness Sn2 Williams
Baptism Day Month Nov-05 Year 1815 Parish Or Reg District Sancreed Forename Elizabeth Surname CHAPPLE Sex Father Forename Nicholas Mother Forename Elizabeth Residence Sancreed Father Rank Profession Husbandman
Baptism Day Month 22-Jul Year 1832 Parish Or Reg District Levan, St. Forename Grace Surname CHAPPLE Sex F Father Forename Nicholas Mother Forename Elizabeth Residence Treen Father Rank Profession Labourer
(a possible 7 more children to couple)
Not seeing a Baptism for below, but reference...
Birth NICHOLAS, CORNELIUS (CHAPPEL) GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in PENZANCE UNION Volume 09 Page 180
1861 (Find My Past) (Reference) John Nicholas Head Widower Male 45 1816 Agricultural Labourer Sancreed, Cornwall, England Cornelius Nicholas Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 - St Buryan, Cornwall, England Elizabeth Ann Nicholas Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Agricultural Labourer St Buryan, Cornwall, England Eliza Dorcas Nicholas Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Cornwall, England Grace Chapple Servant Unmarried Female 27 1834 Household Servant St Levan, Cornwall, England Tregonebris Croft, Sancreed, Penzance, Cornwall,
(1851 at Sennen, Penzance, Cornwall)
Edits (possible for Grace)
County Cornwall Place Pendeen Church name St John the Baptist Register type Parish Register Register entry number 384 Marriage date 01 Nov 1871 Groom forename Thomas Groom surname HARRY Groom age 34 Groom condition widower Groom abode Boscaswell Groom occupation Mason Bride forename Grace Bride surname CHAPEL Bride age 37 Bride condition spinster Bride abode Trewellard Groom father forename Thomas Groom father surname HARRY Groom father occupation Mason Bride father forename Nicholas Bride father surname CHAPEL Bride father occupation Husbandman Witness William WILLIAMS Witness W. D. AITKEN
1901 (Find My Past) Thomas Harry Head Married Male 63 1838 Stone Mason St Just, Cornwall, England Grace Harry Wife Married Female 68 1833 - St Levan, Cornwall, England Selina Chappell Niece Single Female 45 1856 Tin Dressing St Just, Cornwall, England Boscaswell Place, Boscaswell, St Just in Penwith, Penzance, Cornwall
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Tawny
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14 Jan 2018 15:36 |
Thank you. It does appear that Elizabeth is Grace's sister.
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malyon
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14 Jan 2018 15:04 |
Nicholas Chapple mentioned in the record of Grace Chapple Name: Nicholas Chapple sex: Male Wife: Elizabeth Daughter: Grace Chapple Other information in the record of Grace Chapple from England Births and Christenings
Name: Grace Chapple Gender: Female Christening Date: 22 Jul 1832 Christening Date (Original): 22 JUL 1832 Christening Place: SAINT LEVAN,CORNWALL,ENGLAND Father's Name: Nicholas Chapple Mother's Name: Elizabeth
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malyon
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14 Jan 2018 14:59 |
is this Elizabeth chapple born 1815 mother of Dorcas looks like she was a sister of grace chapple same father Nicholas
Nicholas Chapple mentioned in the record of Elizabeth Chapple Name: Nicholas Chapple sex: Male Wife: Elizabeth Daughter: Elizabeth Chapple Other information in the record of Elizabeth Chapple from England Births and Christenings
Name: Elizabeth Chapple Gender: Female Christening Date: 05 Nov 1815 Christening Date (Original): 05 NOV 1815 Christening Place: SANCREED,CORNWALL,ENGLAND Father's Name: Nicholas Chapple Mother's Name: Elizabeth
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malyon
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14 Jan 2018 14:48 |
Event Date: 1851 Event Place: St Buryan, Cornwall, England Registration District: Penzance Gender: Female Age: 18 Marital Status: Unmarried Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1833 Birthplace: St Levan, Cornwall Page Number: 6 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 1919 / 420 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Nicholas Chapple Head Male 57 St Just Penwith, Cornwall Elizabeth Chapple Wife Female 55 Sancreed, Cornwall John Chapple Son Male 20 St Levan, Cornwall Grace Chapple Daughter Female 18 St Levan, Cornwall Christiana Chapple Daughter Female 13 St Levan, Cornwall Dinnis Chapple Daughter Female 11 St Levan, Cornwall
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malyon
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14 Jan 2018 14:46 |
this could be grace in 1841
Event Date: 1841 Event Place: St Buryan, Cornwall, England Residence Note: Bosfranken Gender: Female Age: 8 Age (Original): 8 Birth Year (Estimated): 1833 Birthplace: Cornwall Registration District: Penzance Parish: St Buryan County: Cornwall Page Number: 12 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 141/19 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Nichs Chapple
Male 45-49 Cornwall Bettsey Chapple
Female 45-49 Cornwall Bettsey Chapple
Female 25-29 Cornwall Nichs Chapple
Male 20-24 Cornwall Grace Chapple xxxxxxx
Female 8 Cornwall Persila Chapple
Female 5 Cornwall Christiana Chapple
Female 4 Cornwall Dennis Chapple
Male 1 Cornwall
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Tawny
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14 Jan 2018 14:43 |
Thank you that is the family in 1861.
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malyon
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14 Jan 2018 14:30 |
census 1861
Event Date: 1861 Event Place: Sancreed, Cornwall, England Registration District: Penzance Residence Note: Tregonebris Croft Gender: Female Age: 9 Occupation: Scholar Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1852 Birthplace: ..., Cornwall Page Number: 7 Registration Number: RG09 Piece/Folio: 1596 / 18 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace John Nicholas Head Male 45 Sancreed, Cornwall Comelins Nicholas Son Male 16 St Buryan, Cornwall Elizabeth Ann Nicholas Daughter Female 17 St Buryan, Cornwall Eliza Dorcas Nicholas Daughter Female 9 ..., Cornwall Grace Chapple Servant Female 27 St Levan, Cornwall
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Tawny
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14 Jan 2018 12:54 |
That is the death record that I suspect to be Elizabeth (Chapple) Nicholas. The age would tie in with a year of birth of 1815. I found a christening record for Elizabeth Chapple in 1815 but was trying to confirm if Chapple was Elizabeth's maiden name. All the evidence though points that way.
It appears that Dorcas had been misbehaving for a while and her father eventually threw her out.
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Chris Ho :)
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14 Jan 2018 12:26 |
If her below...
Chris :)
Burial Day Month 16-Mar Year 1855 Parish Or Reg District Pendeen Forename Elizabeth Surname NICHOLAS Age 46 Residence Carnyorth Notes Transcriber Notes Transcriber Bob Bolitho
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
(also on below, both can be useful for Cornwall)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
30 June 1869 - The Cornish Telegraph - Penzance, Cornwall, England
THE PENZANCE CRICKET CLUB. Dorcas Nicholas, a young girl who was not 18 until August, but who has frequently been before the magistrates, was charged with breaking into...
17 October 1867 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England
DORCAS NICHOLAS, 16, for breaking into and entering the dwelling-house of her father, John Nicholas, ot Sancreed, and stealing various ...
(probably more items)
Baptism County Cornwall Place St Just-in-Penwith Church name St Just Register type Parish Register Register entry number 233 Baptism date 12 Sep 1877 Person forename Cornelius Henry Person sex ? Person abode Bosvargus Father forename John Father surname NICHOLAS Father occupation Farm Labourer Mother forename Elizabeth Register note 7yrs 6mths
(if above in family anywhere)
Edits (he is at below 1881, with another John and Elizabeth/Family)
4, Bosvargus, St Just in Penwith, Penzance, Cornwall,
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2018 12:10 |
The death was in 1873 in Guildford.
As she was imprisoned in 1869 for 7 years, she shouldn't have been released until 1876. Did they release prisoners early in those days, as they do now?
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Tawny
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14 Jan 2018 11:59 |
Thank you all for looking. That record for Dorcas looks promising and sad as it appears she went off the rails. Maybe because her mother wasn’t around. I’ll order the death certificate to confirm.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2018 11:57 |
More about Dorcas:
Dorcas Nicholas in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name: Dorcas Nicholas Date of Trial: 15 Oct 1867 Trial Year: 1867 Location of Trial: Cornwall, England Sentence: Imprisonment ( 1 month, for breaking and entering and "stealing therein")
Dorcas Nicholas in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name: Dorcas Nicholas Date of Trial: 29 Jun 1869 Trial Year: 1869 Location of Trial: Cornwall, England Sentence: Imprisonment ( 7 years, for Housebreaking and stealing therein after previous conviction of felony.)
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Maddie
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14 Jan 2018 11:56 |
rules him out then :-)
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KathleenBell
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14 Jan 2018 11:54 |
England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription
First name(s) Dorcas Last name Nicholas Age 19 Birth year 1850 Occupation Works In Fields Year 1869 Date 29 Jun 1869 Court Bodmin Place Cornwall Victim's first name(s) Elizabeth Ann Victim's last name Nicholas Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace Series HO140 Piece number 5 Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Category Institutions & organisations Subcategory Prison registers Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of John Nicholas, at the parish of Sancreed, on 24th June 1869, and stealing therefrom, One mohair dress, one cotton dress, one skirt, one pair of shoes, one pair of stockings and several other articles, the property of Elizabeth Ann Nicholas.
She had previously (1867) deserted from Penn Yan Union workhouse stealing clothing.
I can't read it all but seems she had been charged under the vagrant act and also for prostitution and housebreaking and had served hard labour.
The image is on Findmypast.
Kath. x
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2018 11:48 |
That Cornelius Nicholas in Ireland was born in Co Limerick, according to both censuses, so maybe not the right one ???
He had been married for 34 years, so I expect this is his marriage:
Cornelius Nicholas in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 Name: Cornelius Nicholas Gender: Male Event Type: Marriage Residence Place: Knockanoofause Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1877 Marriage Place: Kilteely and Drumkeen, Limerick, Ireland Parish Variants: Kilteely Diocese: Cashel and Emly Spouse: Margaret Lundon
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Jan 2018 11:39 |
He is recorded as born county Limerick so think this is a different man
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Maddie
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14 Jan 2018 11:29 |
???????? if the correct cornilius 1911 Name: Cornelius Nicholas Gender: Male Age: 67 Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation to Head: Head Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Ballyvorheen District: Abington County: Limerick Household Members: Name Age Cornelius Nicholas 67 Margaret Nicholas 65 Mary Nicholas 28 Bridget Nicholas 27 William Nicholas 26 James Nicholas 24 Cornelius Curran 3
1901 Name: Cornelius Nicholas Gender: Male Age: 50 Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Head Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 Townland/Street: Ballyvorheen District: Abington County: Limerick Household Members: Name Age Cornelius Nicholas 50 Margaret Nicholas 48 Mary Nicholas 19 William Nicholas 18 John Nicholas 16 Margaret Nicholas 14 James Nicholas 14 Cornelius Nicholas 11
son cornelius 1930 Name: Cornelious Nicholas Birth Year: abt 1889 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Ireland Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York, USA Map of Home: View Map Street address: 3rd Avenue Block: L House Number: 3993 Dwelling Number: 25 Family Number: 167 Home Owned or Rented: Rented Home Value: 30 Radio Set: Yes Lives on Farm: No Age at First Marriage: 28 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Language Spoken: English Immigration Year: 1909 Naturalization: Naturalized Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Driver Industry: Bread Co Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker Employment: Yes Household Members: Name Age Cornelious Nicholas 41 Alice Nicholas 42 Cornelious Nicholas 12 William Nicholas 10 John Nicholas 8 Michel Nicholas 2
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Jan 2018 11:25 |
Maybe
1871 census Dorcas Nicholas Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Convict (Prisoner) Gender: Female Where born: Lande End, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Woking Town: Knaphill County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Guildford Sub-registration district: Woking ED, institution, or vessel: Female Convict Prison Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 808 Folio: 142 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age
She was actually reg as Dorcas NICHOLAS, DORCAS CHAPPLE GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in PENZANCE Volume 05C Page 380 Order death VIEW England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dorcas Nicholas Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Registration Year: 1873 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 23 Registration district: Guildford Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 33
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