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Marriage of William Mott and Emma Trinder

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Gerry

Gerry Report 10 Jan 2018 10:44

William was born 6/7/1806 Shoreditch and Emma abt 1809 Holborn.

They had at least 9 children from Isaac in 1831 to Fanny in 1852.

My problem is, I cannot find any record of their marriage, nor a likely record for Emma's birth.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you
Gerry

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Jan 2018 11:19

Just because it came up


Name: William Mott
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1806
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1806
Baptism Place: Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London,England
Father: John Mott
Mother: Eleanor
FHL Film Number: 396231, 396232


Not picking up the marriage . Have you tried Family Search site

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jan 2018 11:23

If the daughters Fanny and Matllda are actually their daughters....


MOTT, FANNY MMN TRINDER
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 132

MOTT, MATILDA MMN TRINDER
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK Volume 04 Page 452

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2018 11:25

One of theirs below?...

Chris :)

All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)

Frederic Thomas Mott
4 May 1832 St Andrew Holborn City of London
William (occ. Stationer)
Emma
(Born 29 Sept. 1830)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jan 2018 11:30

For info....

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Upper Green Street, St George the Martyr, St George Southwark, London & Surrey, England

William Mott ... Married Male 55 1806 Toy Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Emma Mott Wife Married Female 52 1809 Toy Makers Wife Middlesex, England
Transcription
Matilda Mott Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar St George, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Fanny Mott Daughter - Female 7 1854 Labourer St George, Middlesex, England


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Alley, Saint George the Martyr, St George Southwark, London & Surrey, England

William Mott Head Married Male 44 1807 Rose Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Emma Mott Wife Married Female 44 1807 Rose Maker Holborn, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Isaac Mott Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Rose Maker Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Transcription
William Mott Son - Male 18 1833 Rose Maker Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Emma Mott Daughter - Female 16 1835 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Transcription
George Mott Son - Male 14 1837 Box Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Matilda Mott Daughter - Female 1 1850 - St George, Surrey, England

Quite a big age gap between son George and daughter Matilda.

I wonder if William had been married before??

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 10 Jan 2018 11:49

PH- there were other children in between:

Births
MOTT, ELEANOR TRINDER
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 270 Order
MOTT, PHOEBE TRINDER
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 245

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fore Street, Upper, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

William Mott Male 30 1811 -
Emma Mott Female 25 1816 -
Frederick Mott Male 10 1831 -
William Mott Male 8 1833 -
Emma Mott Female 6 1835 -
George Mott Male 4 1837 Surrey, England
Phoebe Mott Female 0 1841 Surrey, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jan 2018 11:54

George Mott in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: George Mott
Gender: Male
And...Name: Emma Mott
And...Name: William Mott
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1837
Baptism Place: Lambeth St Mary, Lambeth, England
Father: William Mott (Gold and Silver Paper Maker)
Mother: Emma Mott

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2018 11:58

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1224037

(don't think their Marriage was found on above, an older query from another Member)

Chris :)

Gerry

Gerry Report 10 Jan 2018 12:02

Hi

All the children were

Isaac 1831
Frederick 1832
William 1833
Emma 1835
George 1837
Phoebe 1840
Eleanor 1843
Matilda 1851
Fanny 1852

maiden name of the children's mother was Trinder.

The marriage must be somewhere. I have checked on Ancestry, FMP, Family Search and Free Reg

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2018 12:04

(below was perhaps first?)

Chris :)

All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)

Frederic Thomas Mott
4 May 1832 St Andrew Holborn City of London
William (occ. Stationer)
Emma
(Born 29 Sept. 1830)

(also on FMP, but no image)


(Marriage wasn't found on other 'Thread' either)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 10 Jan 2018 13:19

Also possibly this child although no mother's maiden name on birth index (I'm having trouble viewing the original on Ancestry so can't check):

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Mott
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1846
Baptism date 04 Jan 1846
Place Lambeth
County Surrey
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Mott
Mother's first name(s) Emma
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2018 13:44

(checked out AQ, just gives Workhouse for Abode, Labourer for occ.)

Chris :)

All odd this, lol...

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Jan 2018 20:53

Gerry ..............

You are wrong in stating that the marriage MUST be somewhere.

The might not have married at all ............... especially if one or both had been married previously.

If they did marry, the records might not yet have been digitised and therefore are not available on the internet.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Jan 2018 21:02

Just as a note of interest ............

William, Emma and George were all baptised on the same day, June 25 1837, but no birth dates are given for them

Address:- Cardigan Street
Father's Occupation:- Gold & Silver Paper Maker

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.