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Hi not often I come on this board but have just seen something on a Facebook group that I belong to that has awakened an interest in an ancestor that I have been stuck with. I have a copy of the 1851 on CD but have obviously not accessed it on this PC as it fails to open and says I am ‘not compatible’.
Would somebody please do me a favour and look up the following for me
THOMAS MARTIN BORN C 1820 should be living in Hampshire in 1851 either in Portsmouth or Gosport (but I don’t think he was Hampshire born. His occupation was cooper and his wife was Charlotte
I have no birth details for him or any other census details.

Many thanks if you can help.
:-)

Thomas Martin
in the 1851 England Census
Name:
Thomas Martin
Age:
31
Estimated birth year:
abt 1820
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Charlotte Martin
Where born:
Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish:
Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish:
St John
Hampshire

Household Members:
Thomas Martin 31 , cooper
Charlotte Martin 28
Henry Martin 8
Mary Ann Martin 6
Thomas Martin 4
Charlotte Martin 2
Emily Martin 8 Mo

Wife and children born Portsmouth except last 2 children born Forton, Hampshire.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Byerly's Buildings, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Martin Head Married Male 31 1820 Cooper Brighton, Sussex, England
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Charlotte Martin Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Henry Martin Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Mary Ann Martin Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Thomas Martin Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Charlotte Martin Daughter - Female 2 1849 Scholar Forton, Hampshire, England
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Emily Martin Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Forton, Hampshire, England

is this his marriage
Thomas
Last name Martin
Age Full
Denomination Anglican
Marital status Bachelor
Occupation Cooper
Residence White Horse Alley
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 13 Jun 1842
Marriage place Portsea, St Mary
Dedication St Mary
Licence or banns Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Fennell
Spouse's age Minor
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence White Horse Alley
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Martin
Father's occupation Labourer
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry Sherman
Spouse's father's last name Fennell
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
Witness 1 Jane Charlotte Fennell
Witness 2 Henry Sherman Fennell
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1842-1843

1861

4, Newcastle Lane, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Martin Head Married Male 46 1815 Cooper Royal...Yard Sussex, England
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Charlotte Jane Martin Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Henry Charles Martin Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Cooper Apprentice R C Yard Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Mary Ann Martin Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Thomas Wm Stephen Martin Son Unmarried Male 14 1847 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Charlotte Ann Martin Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Emily Martin Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Edward George Martin Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Alice Martin Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

1891
St Johns Road, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas W Martin Head Married Male 71 1820 Pensioner Dock Yard Sussex, England
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Charlotte J Martin Wife Married Female 68 1823 - Hampshire, England
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Henry C Martin Son Single Male 48 1843 Cooper Hampshire, England
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Emma Martin Daughter Single Female 26 1865 - Hampshire, England
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Emily Stark Niece Single Female 19 1872 - Hampshire, England
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Census details

CHARLOTTE JANE
Last name MARTIN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1824
Age 78
Death quarter 1
Death year 1902
District Portsmouth
County Hampshire
Volume 2B
Page 361

THOMAS
Last name MARTIN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1822
Age 84
Death quarter 4
Death year 1906
District Portsmouth
County Hampshire
Volume 2B
Page 326

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Thomas William
Last name Martin
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 09 Jan 1820
Residence Brighton, Sussex, England
Place Brighton
County Sussex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Martin
Mother's first name(s) Lydia
Mother's last name -

CHARLOTTE
Last name FENNELL
Birth year 1823
Baptism year 1823
Baptism day 28
Baptism month Sep
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Henry
Second parent first name(s) Ann
Parish PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Henry Sherman
Last name Fennell
Age 53
Birth year 1792
Denomination Anglican
Residence Oyster ST
Death year 1845
Burial year 1845
Burial date 11 Jun 1845
Burial place Portsmouth, St Thomas
Dedication St Thomas of Canterbury
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Burials
Register year range 1843-1852

charlottes brother
Henry Sherman
Last name Fennell
Birth year -
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 07 Sep 1815
Baptism place Portsea, St Mary
Dedication St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Residence Lake Lane
Father's first name(s) Henry Sherman
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1815-1815
Archive reference CHU 3/1B/2
Page 107

Thomas William Martin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Thomas William Martin
Residence Place:
Brighton, Sussex, England
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
09 Jan 1820
Christening Date (Original):
9 Jan 1820
Christening Place:
St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Father's Name:
Charles Martin
Mother's Name:
Lydia Martin

1851 Census
3 Records found


Piece: HO107/1646 Place: Brighton -Sussex Enumeration District: 1g
Civil Parish: Brighton Ecclesiastical Parish: Brighthelmston
Folio: 184 Page: 24 Schedule: 113
Address: 4 Little Russell St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MARTIN Charles Head M M 55 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton
MARTIN Lydia Wife M F 54 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton
MARTIN William Son - M 14 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton

Charles
Last name Martin
Name note -
Marriage year 1819
Marriage date 1819
Marriage place Brighton
Spouse's first name(s) Lydia
Spouse's last name Washington
Residence Brighton, Sussex, England
County Sussex
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

Lydia
Last name Washington
Gender Female
Birth year 1795
Birth place -
Baptism year 1795
Baptism date 25 May 1795
Place Brighton
County Sussex
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Washington
Mother's first name(s) Lydia
Mother's last name -

Charles
Last name Martin
Gender Male
Birth year 1795
Birth place -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 31 Jan 1796
Residence Brighton, Sussex, England
Place Brighton
County Sussex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Martin
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


First name(s) Charles
Last name Martin
Name note -
Marriage year 1791
Marriage date 24 Oct 1791
Marriage place Brighton
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Slaughter
County Sussex
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Wow, thank you so much, you people on this board never fail us, that gives me a lot to go on and, yes, that is his marriage, I do have the cert for that.

Thanks again will get sorting that lot out now. :-) :-)

Sorry about this, would it be better on a separate thread?

I have a query on something that was kindly found which I can't solve. A death date was found for THOMAS MARTIN of 1906 aged 84 . the age more or less tallies, therefore I should be able to find him on the 1901 but I can't. I can find his wife Charlotte (I am 99% sure it is her), at age 78 living as a boarder, name of family she is living with is not familiar to me but she is in the right residential area and the right age ( DOB 1824 aged 78 on census)

I can't now find a death for THOMAS (WILLIAM) MARTIN. Can anyone advise please. I have been looking on Family search.

Above question also posed on new thread
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1369952?jump=1369952

Thanks reposted as it disappeared down the board and I had marked it answered before

Have posted this on the other thread too.

This may be the Thomas who died in 1906


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12, Fratton Grove, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Charles Martin Head Married Male 33 1868 General Laborer Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Charlotte Martin Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Charles T Martin Son - Male 4 1897 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Martha A Martin Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Thomas Martin Father Widower Male 78 1823 Retired Blockmaker Cosham, Hampshire, England

Below one, for above Address...

Chris :)

Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Martin
Age 84
Birth year 1822
Denomination Anglican
Residence Fratton Grove
Death year 1906
Burial year 1906
Burial date 19 Nov 1906
Burial place Portsea, St Mary
Dedication St Mary


24 November 1906 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire,

Death
MARTIN - On the 15th inst., at 12. Fratton grove. Thomas Martin, aged 84.


20 January 1902 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire

Death
MARTIN - On the 9th inst., at 43, Northam Street, Fratton, Charlotte Jane, widow of the Iate Thomas Martin, late cooper H.M. Victualling Yard, Gosport, aged 78 years.



1901 (Find My Past)
John Edwards Head Married Male 39 1862 Chief Stoker R N Hambledon, Hampshire, England
Louisa E Edwards Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Lilian Edwards Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Tailoress Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
William J P Edwards Son - Male 14 1887 Plumber & Gasfitter Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Gertrude B Edwards Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Florence Edwards Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Charlotte Martin Boarder Widow Female 78 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
43, Northam Street, Portsmouth, Hampshire,


(if below couple)

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
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EDWARDS John Havant 2b 772
Pearce Louisa Ellen Havant 2b 772


Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Martin Thomas William 72 Portsea 2b 528


(same address as 1891 posted earlier, although mistake in middle name perhaps?)

Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas Stephen
Last name Martin
Age 72
Birth year 1820
Denomination Anglican
Residence S Johns Road
Death year 1892
Burial year 1892
Burial date 20 Feb 1892
Burial place Portsea, St Mary
Dedication St Mary


(although below)

24 February 1892 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire

Death
Martin - On the 15th instant, at St. Johns-road, Landport. Mr. Thomas Stephen Martin, aged 72 years.


Charlotte 1824 1902 Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Portsea, St Mary, Hampshire, England

(Northam Street on image for above. Buried Jan. 14)


(Baptism images for children on FMP (occ. Cooper) couple below)

Birth
MARTIN, THOMAS WILLIAM STEPHEN (FENNELL)
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 177

Birth
MARTIN, BLANCHE (FENNELL)
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 445


13 March 1891 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire,

Death
Martin - On the 5th instant, at St. Johns-road, Landport, Miss Blanche Martin, aged 29 years.


(her Burial FMP, 9th March)

Martin Blanche 1862 1891 Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Portsea, St Mary, Hampshire, England


18 June 1842 - Hampshire Advertiser - Southampton, Hampshire, England

Marriage
Married, at Kingston, on the 13th inst. Mr. T. Martin to Miss C. Fennell, of Portsea

Chris wow thank you, that is the one, the cooper wife Charlotte.
Thanks everyone for your help. That tells me he died before Charlotte but still no death for him I think. In a rush, will check this later.

(looking like that 1892 posted, perhaps better to get Death Cert?)

Chris :)

Sorry Chris, had an appointment in town.

I am certain that it is the 1892 one. I am thinking that they got confused and put Stephen as the middle name because the son was Thomas William Stephen, but they were definitely living in St John's road in the 1891 and he was then aged 71.

Thank you so much for all your work on this. I stopped belonging to FMP etc about 5/6 years ago when I gave up looking having been doing my tree since I was in my 30s. All of a sudden on a Portsmouth nostalgia group on FB the name Thomas Martin came up as a request, It wasn't mine but sparked off my interest again. There is so much more available now than when i was last looking. I did manage to get into Family search (even the procedure for that has all changed) and found the censuses ok. then my PC started playing up and I was trying to access things on my Ipad, not so easy. It certainly hurts my 77 year old brain. And I had forgotten Free BMD as well. Will remember that now when looking further.

Anyway your work on this is so much appreciated thanks again.

And thanks to everyone else as well. :-) :-)

Yes, new records coming online more these days, gets a job to keep up, lol.

Does look like his Death, and Blanche there also 1891 (just before Census 5th April)

Fingers crossed...

Chris :)