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Hi I am trying to find any information on Eliza Sutcliffe daughter of Stephen Sutcliffe and Mary Bacon of Alfreton Derbyshire. I have her on the 1851 and 1861 census correctly. I then found an Eliza Sutcliffe aged 26 and Ellen Sutcliffe aged 4 in the workhouse on the 1871 census but can find nothing else about either of them from then on. I am assuming Ellen is her daughter but am not sure if this is my ancestor. Any help appreciated.

For our reference:



Eliza Sutcliffe
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Eliza Sutcliffe
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Stephen Sutcliffe
Mother's name: Mary Sutcliffe
Gender: Female
Where born: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Alfreton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Piece: 2514
Folio: 42
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Sutcliffe 60
Mary Sutcliffe 61
Mary A Peach 37 - daughter
Jane Sutcliffe 30
Edward Sutcliffe 26
Eliza Sutcliffe 19
Frank Peach 35 - son-in-law
Joseph Sutcliffe 7
Mary Sutcliffe 11




Eliza Sutcliff
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Eliza Sutcliff
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Stephen Sutcliff
Mother's name: Mary Sutcliff
Gender: Female
Where born: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
Ecclesiastical parish: Alfreton
Town: Alfreton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Ripley
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 2145
Folio: 334
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Sutcliff 50
Mary Sutcliff 50
Edmund Sutcliff 18
Eliza Sutcliff 8
John Sutcliff 86

Ancestry suggests this is her death, but I haven't investigated that:


Eliza Sutcliffe
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Eliza Sutcliffe
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 730

Thanks for that ArgyllGran the death would tie in with not being able to find a marriage but if this is her death she should be on the censuses and I can't find her on any after 1871 nor a birth for Ellen.

Elza Sutcliffe
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elza Sutcliffe
[Eliza Sutcliffe]
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Bridge Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Bridge Hill
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 3584
Folio: 65
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age

Elza Sutcliffe 26
Ellen Sutcliffe 4

(and many other inmates)

Possibly Ellen's birth ??? Year doesn't quite agree with 1871 census:

SUTLIFF, ELLEN HOW - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 468

An Eliza below?...

Chris :)

27 March 1872 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Derby Borough Police Court
Eliza Sutcliffe was charged with wandering abroad in Walker-lane without having any visible means of subsistence. Prisoner belongs to Alfreton, and has recently come out of gaol for neglecting her children, and leaving them chargeable to the Belper Union. She was discharged on promising to go to a situation which had been offered to her.


Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ELIZA
Last name SUTCLIFFE
Birth year 1841
Place ALFRETON
Reference AB/03/055
Register office 392
Subdistrict Alfreton


Derbyshire Registrars Death Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ELIZA
Last name SUTCLIFFE
Birth year 1843
Death year 1915
Age 72
Place Belper
County Derbyshire


Birth
SUTCLIFF, ELIZA (BACON)
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in BELPER UNION Volume 19 Page 386


https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(unfortunately not seeing on anything on above!)


Edits (no idea on below)

Birth
STUTCLIFFE, ANN -
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 459

(although)

Derbyshire Registrars Death Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) ANN
Last name SUTCLIFF
Birth year 1863
Death year 1863
Age 0
Place Alfreton


Deaths Jun 1863 (>99%)
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Sutcliff Ann Belper 7b 293

Possible death of Ellen ???


SUTLIFFE, ELLEN 16
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 329

That's interesting could well be her. Might be worth sending for the birth certificate. Am still interested to know what happened after 1871 though.

Wow Chris Ho:) sounds like she had more children then.

Could this be 1911 census for 1915 death posted above?

Name: Eliza Suttler
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Belper
Search Photos: Search for 'Belper' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Occupation: Not Trade
Registration district: Belper
Registration District Number: 436
Sub-registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 20971

Age says not known

Andy

joseph Sutcliff mother is jane Sutcliff in 1861 census

Joseph Sutcliffe
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Joseph Sutcliffe
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
29 May 1870
Christening Date (Original):
29 MAY 1870
Christening Place:
ALFRETON,DERBY,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
01 Feb 1854
Mother's Name:
Jane Sutcliffe

could this be ellen spelt helen surname spelt autcliffe

Helen Autcliffe
England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918
Name:
Helen Autcliffe
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
11 Aug 1867
Event Place:
Eckington, Eckington, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name:
William Autcliffe
Mother's Name:
Emma Autcliffe

Something else to get my teeth into. Thank you Andrew :-)

Might be worth a check at below Records...

Chris :)

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Belper/

(Derbyshire Record Office. Admissions & discharges 1853 - 1911)

Had a look but she wasn't there in 1881 (possibly in jail if she's neglecting her children).

(also)

Chris :)

05 January 1872 - Nottingham Journal - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,

BELPER PETTY SESSIONS.
Tuesday - (Before G. H. Strutt, Esq.) Eliza Sutcliffe, a bad-countenanced young woman, was brought up in custody, charged by Mr. Anderson, master of the Belper Workhouse, with having run away from the Workhouse on Christmas day, and taking with her a suit of clothes belonging to the Guardians. The prisoner was taken into custody at 3 o' clock on Monday morning, with the clothes in her possession. She admitted the charge, and said she did not mean to go in the workhouse again, she would wear her finger ends off, for she had to go in the workhouse, and she might as well work out. Mr Anderson gave the prisoner a very bad character, and also proved a previous conviction against her for damaging the property of the Guardians.
The magistrate sent her to Derby gaol for two months, with hard labour.



12 July 1879 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield

Death
Sutcliff—.luly 4. at Alfreton. Stephen Sutcliff. aged 80.


17 March 1875 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Death
Sutcliffe -March 7, at Alfreton, Mary Sutcliffe,

Oh my I wish I knew where to look for all this information, not sure I want to see this so publicly lol but I do appreciate your help Chris. Had a look on 1891 census for the workhouse and she wasn't there so am wondering if she spent a long time in gaol

(apologies Sue, will delete articles if you wish)

Chris :)

Would have thought there was something in Workhouse Admissions...

No you're ok. at the end of the day I want to know my family history. You have to take the rough with the smooth as they say. I really appreciate you taking the time to look things up for me as I wouldn't have a clue where to start. Thanks again