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sidney birkett born 1903

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Dec 2017 20:17

Maybe Sidney's siblings ??

MOORE, HENRY WILLIAM CHARLES mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 73


???
MOORE, MARGARET mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 208

(But Aston ?? )


A tree on Ancestry (for whatever that's worth ) says Henry's parents were Elizabeth Frances Smith and Harry Moore, but I can't see any such marriage.

It doesn't mention siblings for Henry.

And goodness know where the Kelly name comes in.

This is the only Sidney Moore birth I can see with mms Smith in London area - but middle name George, not Harold:

MOORE, SIDNEY GEORGE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 780


The tree claims this is Elizabeth's birth:

SMITH, ELIZABETH FRANCES mms CLAREMONT
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 391

and says these are her parents:

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Clements Charlotte Clerkenwell 1b 952
Smith William Frederick Clerkenwell 1b 952

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 20 Dec 2017 21:36

This is Sidney's birth- added later (a late hand written entry)- probably why it's not showing for that year on the GRO:

First name(s) SIDNEY M
Last name KELLY
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Shoreditch
County London
Volume 1C
Page JUN/34
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Wondering if this is the late entry it should refer to (Freebmd):-

Births Jun 1924
Kelly Sidney M Kelly Shoreditch 1c 62

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 21 Dec 2017 06:43

This is possible:

Marriage:
Name: Elizabeth Frances Smith
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1869
Marriage Date: 8 May 1887
Marriage Place: St Matthew, St Pancras, Camden, England
Father: William Frederick Smith
Spouse: Augustus Frederick Kelly
Register Type: Parish Register

Augustus & Elizabeth in 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Parade, White Hart Lane, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Frederick Kelly Head Married Male 26 1865 Builder London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Kelly Wife Married Female 22 1869 - London, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Kelly Daughter - Female 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England
Albert A Kelly Son - Male 0 1891 - Holloway, Middlesex, England

Birth of Albert and Charlotte to confirm mother's maiden name:

KELLY, ALBERT AUGUSTUS mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 206

KELLY, CHARLOTTE CAMELLIA mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 252
------------------------

Augustus 1901:

Augustus F Kelly Head Married Male 36 1865 Builder Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rupert J Kelly Son - Male 8 1893 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Alfred F Kelly Son - Male 6 1895 - Kilburn, Middlesex, England

Birth of Rupert and Alfred, confirming mother's maiden name:

KELLY, RUPERT JOHN mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 276

KELLY, ALFRED FITZROY mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 189
---------------------------------

This looks to be the older children (and a younger child) with a Charles Moore in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Mountgrove Road, Stoke Newington, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Charles Moore Head Married Male 61 1840 Fish Hawker Essex, England
Emily J Moore Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Kelly Cousin - Female 11 1890 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Albert Kelly Cousin - Male 10 1891 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Eleanor May Kelly Cousin - Female 2 1899 - South Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Birth for Eleanor:

KELLY, ELEANOR MAY mmn: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 374
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Ancestry has the baptisms for all the children

Off to work now, will be back later this morning

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 09:46

Looks good, AQ! Well done!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 11:30

Charles ??


Charles Moore
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Charles Moore
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sampford, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 271
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Graves 28
Sarah Graves 28
Sarah Graves 7
William Graves 10 Months
Charles Moore 31 - fishmonger



Charles Moore
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Charles Moore
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ellen Moore
Gender: Male
Where born: Saffron Walden, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Islinston
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 43 Alsen Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Fishmonger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 79
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 274
Folio: 57
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Moore 39
Ellen Moore 29
Ernest Moore 8
Harry Moore 4



Charles Moore
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Moore
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1838
Child: Harry Moore
Farid Moore
Nellie Moore
Birth Place: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: London City, Islington, London, England
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington South
ED, Institution or Vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 170
Folio: 142
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Moore 53 - fishmonger, widowed
Harry Moore 14
Farid Moore 7 [Fred ]
Nellie Moore 5

Maybe birth of son Fred ?

MOORE, FREDERICK CHARLES mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 228

EDIT:

Or maybe Fred is Alfred Fitzroy posted above by AQ ?


A tree on ancestry says this is Charles's marriage to Ellen - but also says he married Eleanor Smith (B 1854, Great Leighs, Essex):

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
Faulkner Edward Charles Bethnal Green 1c 402
LEWIS Ellen Bethnal Green 1c 402
MOORE Charles Thomas Bethnal Green 1c 402 <<<<
Smith Delilah Bethnal Green 1c 402


It also says he died 2 July 1907, London.

Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
MOORE Charles 66 London C. 1c 3

So if Charles died 1907, and Elizabeth had died or absconded (I can't see her in 1901 or later), that could account for Sidney being adopted (?) by the Birketts ??

Haven't investigated the other children yet.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 13:40

Death of Rupert;

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Kelly Rupert John C 10 Edmonton 3a 280

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 13:57

Death of Alfred Fitzroy ?:


Alfred Fitzroy Kelly
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Alfred Fitzroy Kelly
Birth Place: Tottenham, London
Residence: Genelly, South Wales [Llanelly ?? ]
Death Date: 24 Oct 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Stratford
Rank: L Corporal
Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 9292
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre



Alfred Fitzroy Kelly
in the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
Name: Alfred Fitzroy Kelly
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Acting Lance Corporal
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment
Regimental Number: 9292
Previous Units: 2nd W. York. R. 9292 Pte.



Fitzroy Kelly
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Fitzroy Kelly
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Birth Place: Tottenham, London, England
Civil Parish: Colchester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Sobraon Barracks, Circular Rd, Colchester
Marital Status: Single
Military Unit: West Yorkshire Regiment
Registration district: Colchester
Registration District Number: 198
Sub-registration district: Colchester South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 20-26
Piece: 10304

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 21 Dec 2017 14:07

Elizabeth's husband (Augustus Frederick Kelly) is still listed as married in 1901.

From 1907 he has several spells in prison.

In 1911 he's is still in prison, and listed as widowed:

Name: Augustus Frederick Kelly
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Street address: HM Prison, Brixton Hill, Brixton S W
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: PRINTER AND DECORATOR
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 44-47 Piece: 2143
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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 14:10

Charlotte Camellia ??


Charlotte C Kelly
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charlotte C Kelly
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Moray Rd, Tollington Park, Finsbury Park N
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: BAKER'S SHOP ASSISTANT
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Tollington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 832
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry John Ward 44
Eleanor C Ward 36
Alfred R Ward 15
Henry V G Ward 13
Frederick R V Ward 11
Nellie M Ward 8
Charlotte C Kelly 21


Eleanor Ward's mms was Smith:

WARD, FREDERICK VALENTINE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 238


Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Smith Elenor Charlotte Edmonton 3a 496
Ward Henry John Edmonton 3a 496

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 14:18

Eleanor was Elizabeth Frances's sister:

Parents' names in 1891 census (below) match the tree giving these as Elizabeth's parents (already posted, but copying here for ease):

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Clements Charlotte Clerkenwell 1b 952
Smith William Frederick Clerkenwell 1b 952


SMITH, ELEANOR CHARLOTTE mms CLAREMONT
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 410




Eleanor C Smith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Eleanor C Smith
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1875
Father: William F Smith
Mother: Charlotte Smith
Birth Place: Middlesex, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
Residence Place: London, Islington, London, England
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, Institution or Vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 146
Folio: 178
Household Members:
Name Age
William F Smith 45
Charlotte Smith 43
Eleanor C Smith 16
Alice Smith 9
William F Smith 7
Alfred A Smith 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 14:23

Elizabeth Smith
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William F. Smith
Mother: Charlotte Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islinston
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 9 Andover Rd
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 78a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 274
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William F. Smith 35
Charlotte Smith 33
Elizabeth Smith 12
Eleanor Smith 6
Frederick Smith 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Dec 2017 15:04

Possibly Albert Augustus in 1911, mistakenly listed as Herbert ??

Herbert Augustus Kelly
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Herbert Augustus Kelly
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: STOKE NEWINGTON, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 27 Park Street, Islington N
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: SHOP ASSISTANT
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 927



Maybe slightly wrong DOB at death ??

Albert Augustus Kelly
in the UK, Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919
Name: Albert Augustus Kelly
Rank: AB
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1887
Birth Place: Shepherds Bush, London
Branch of Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Cause of Death: Died from disease
Official Number Port Division: R/4177.
Death Date: 16 Jan 1918
Ship or Unit: Hawke Battalion Royal Naval Division
Location of Grave: Not recorded
Name and Address of Cemetery: Rocquigny-Equancourt Road British Cemetery, Near Etricourt, France
Relatives Notified and Address: Widow: Lily M, 31 Swansea Road, Llanelly



Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Kelly Albert A Bowen Llanelly 11a 1835

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Bowen Lily M Kelly Llanelly 11a 1365


EDIT:
When his brother Albert Fitzroy was killed in 1916, his home address was given as "Genelly", South Wales - Llanelly ??

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Dec 2017 11:39

sorry i have not replied before, been away for christmas, I hope you all had a happy one.
Thank you for all the information supplied, no wonder I couldn't find him.
So he wasn't a bilogical son afterall.

Happy new year
maddie