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20 Dec 2017 20:17 |
Maybe Sidney's siblings ??
MOORE, HENRY WILLIAM CHARLES mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 73
??? MOORE, MARGARET mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 208
(But Aston ?? )
A tree on Ancestry (for whatever that's worth ) says Henry's parents were Elizabeth Frances Smith and Harry Moore, but I can't see any such marriage.
It doesn't mention siblings for Henry.
And goodness know where the Kelly name comes in.
This is the only Sidney Moore birth I can see with mms Smith in London area - but middle name George, not Harold:
MOORE, SIDNEY GEORGE mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 780
The tree claims this is Elizabeth's birth:
SMITH, ELIZABETH FRANCES mms CLAREMONT GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 391
and says these are her parents:
Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%) Clements Charlotte Clerkenwell 1b 952 Smith William Frederick Clerkenwell 1b 952
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20 Dec 2017 21:36 |
This is Sidney's birth- added later (a late hand written entry)- probably why it's not showing for that year on the GRO:
First name(s) SIDNEY M Last name KELLY Birth year 1902 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name - District Shoreditch County London Volume 1C Page JUN/34 -----------------------------
Wondering if this is the late entry it should refer to (Freebmd):-
Births Jun 1924 Kelly Sidney M Kelly Shoreditch 1c 62
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21 Dec 2017 06:43 |
This is possible:
Marriage: Name: Elizabeth Frances Smith Gender: Female Marriage Age: 18 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1869 Marriage Date: 8 May 1887 Marriage Place: St Matthew, St Pancras, Camden, England Father: William Frederick Smith Spouse: Augustus Frederick Kelly Register Type: Parish Register
Augustus & Elizabeth in 1891:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Parade, White Hart Lane, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England Frederick Kelly Head Married Male 26 1865 Builder London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Kelly Wife Married Female 22 1869 - London, Middlesex, England Charlotte Kelly Daughter - Female 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England Albert A Kelly Son - Male 0 1891 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Birth of Albert and Charlotte to confirm mother's maiden name:
KELLY, ALBERT AUGUSTUS mmn: SMITH GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 206
KELLY, CHARLOTTE CAMELLIA mmn: SMITH GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 252 ------------------------
Augustus 1901:
Augustus F Kelly Head Married Male 36 1865 Builder Lambeth, Surrey, England Rupert J Kelly Son - Male 8 1893 - Islington, Middlesex, England Alfred F Kelly Son - Male 6 1895 - Kilburn, Middlesex, England
Birth of Rupert and Alfred, confirming mother's maiden name:
KELLY, RUPERT JOHN mmn: SMITH GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 276
KELLY, ALFRED FITZROY mmn: SMITH GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 189 ---------------------------------
This looks to be the older children (and a younger child) with a Charles Moore in 1901:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 14, Mountgrove Road, Stoke Newington, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England
Charles Moore Head Married Male 61 1840 Fish Hawker Essex, England Emily J Moore Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Holloway, Middlesex, England Charlotte Kelly Cousin - Female 11 1890 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England Albert Kelly Cousin - Male 10 1891 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England Eleanor May Kelly Cousin - Female 2 1899 - South Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Birth for Eleanor:
KELLY, ELEANOR MAY mmn: SMITH GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 374 ---------------------------
Ancestry has the baptisms for all the children
Off to work now, will be back later this morning
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ArgyllGran
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21 Dec 2017 09:46 |
Looks good, AQ! Well done!
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21 Dec 2017 11:30 |
Charles ??
Charles Moore in the 1871 England Census Name: Charles Moore Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Sampford, Essex, England Civil Parish: Islington St David Ecclesiastical parish: St David County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 58 Household schedule number: 60 Piece: 271 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age William Graves 28 Sarah Graves 28 Sarah Graves 7 William Graves 10 Months Charles Moore 31 - fishmonger
Charles Moore in the 1881 England Census Name: Charles Moore Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ellen Moore Gender: Male Where born: Saffron Walden, Essex, England Civil Parish: Islinston County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 43 Alsen Rd Marital Status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Fishmonger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 79 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 274 Folio: 57 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Charles Moore 39 Ellen Moore 29 Ernest Moore 8 Harry Moore 4
Charles Moore in the 1891 England Census Name: Charles Moore Gender: Male Age: 53 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1838 Child: Harry Moore Farid Moore Nellie Moore Birth Place: Essex, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Residence Place: London City, Islington, London, England Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Islington South ED, Institution or Vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 170 Folio: 142 Household Members: Name Age Charles Moore 53 - fishmonger, widowed Harry Moore 14 Farid Moore 7 [Fred ] Nellie Moore 5
Maybe birth of son Fred ?
MOORE, FREDERICK CHARLES mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 228
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Or maybe Fred is Alfred Fitzroy posted above by AQ ?
A tree on ancestry says this is Charles's marriage to Ellen - but also says he married Eleanor Smith (B 1854, Great Leighs, Essex):
Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%) Faulkner Edward Charles Bethnal Green 1c 402 LEWIS Ellen Bethnal Green 1c 402 MOORE Charles Thomas Bethnal Green 1c 402 <<<< Smith Delilah Bethnal Green 1c 402
It also says he died 2 July 1907, London.
Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%) MOORE Charles 66 London C. 1c 3
So if Charles died 1907, and Elizabeth had died or absconded (I can't see her in 1901 or later), that could account for Sidney being adopted (?) by the Birketts ??
Haven't investigated the other children yet.
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21 Dec 2017 13:40 |
Death of Rupert;
Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%) Kelly Rupert John C 10 Edmonton 3a 280
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21 Dec 2017 13:57 |
Death of Alfred Fitzroy ?:
Alfred Fitzroy Kelly in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 Name: Alfred Fitzroy Kelly Birth Place: Tottenham, London Residence: Genelly, South Wales [Llanelly ?? ] Death Date: 24 Oct 1916 Death Place: France and Flanders Enlistment Place: Stratford Rank: L Corporal Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment Battalion: 2nd Battalion Regimental Number: 9292 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Alfred Fitzroy Kelly in the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 Name: Alfred Fitzroy Kelly Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Acting Lance Corporal Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal Regiment or Corps: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment Regimental Number: 9292 Previous Units: 2nd W. York. R. 9292 Pte.
Fitzroy Kelly in the 1911 England Census Name: Fitzroy Kelly Age in 1911: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Birth Place: Tottenham, London, England Civil Parish: Colchester County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Sobraon Barracks, Circular Rd, Colchester Marital Status: Single Military Unit: West Yorkshire Regiment Registration district: Colchester Registration District Number: 198 Sub-registration district: Colchester South East ED, institution, or vessel: 20-26 Piece: 10304
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AustinQ
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21 Dec 2017 14:07 |
Elizabeth's husband (Augustus Frederick Kelly) is still listed as married in 1901.
From 1907 he has several spells in prison.
In 1911 he's is still in prison, and listed as widowed:
Name: Augustus Frederick Kelly Age in 1911: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Prisoner Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Street address: HM Prison, Brixton Hill, Brixton S W Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: PRINTER AND DECORATOR Registration district: Lambeth Registration District Number: 25 Sub-registration district: Norwood ED, institution, or vessel: 44-47 Piece: 2143 -----------------------------
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21 Dec 2017 14:10 |
Charlotte Camellia ??
Charlotte C Kelly in the 1911 England Census Name: Charlotte C Kelly Age in 1911: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Niece Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Moray Rd, Tollington Park, Finsbury Park N Marital Status: Single Occupation: BAKER'S SHOP ASSISTANT Registration district: Islington Registration District Number: 10 Sub-registration district: Tollington ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 832 Household Members: Name Age Henry John Ward 44 Eleanor C Ward 36 Alfred R Ward 15 Henry V G Ward 13 Frederick R V Ward 11 Nellie M Ward 8 Charlotte C Kelly 21
Eleanor Ward's mms was Smith:
WARD, FREDERICK VALENTINE mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 238
Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%) Smith Elenor Charlotte Edmonton 3a 496 Ward Henry John Edmonton 3a 496
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21 Dec 2017 14:18 |
Eleanor was Elizabeth Frances's sister:
Parents' names in 1891 census (below) match the tree giving these as Elizabeth's parents (already posted, but copying here for ease):
Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%) Clements Charlotte Clerkenwell 1b 952 Smith William Frederick Clerkenwell 1b 952
SMITH, ELEANOR CHARLOTTE mms CLAREMONT GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 410
Eleanor C Smith in the 1891 England Census Name: Eleanor C Smith Gender: Female Age: 16 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1875 Father: William F Smith Mother: Charlotte Smith Birth Place: Middlesex, London, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours Residence Place: London, Islington, London, England Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Upper Holloway ED, Institution or Vessel: 41 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 146 Folio: 178 Household Members: Name Age William F Smith 45 Charlotte Smith 43 Eleanor C Smith 16 Alice Smith 9 William F Smith 7 Alfred A Smith 1
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21 Dec 2017 14:23 |
Elizabeth Smith in the 1881 England Census Name: Elizabeth Smith Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William F. Smith Mother: Charlotte Smith Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Islinston County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 9 Andover Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 78a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 274 Folio: 13 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age William F. Smith 35 Charlotte Smith 33 Elizabeth Smith 12 Eleanor Smith 6 Frederick Smith 1
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21 Dec 2017 15:04 |
Possibly Albert Augustus in 1911, mistakenly listed as Herbert ??
Herbert Augustus Kelly in the 1911 England Census Name: Herbert Augustus Kelly Age in 1911: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Male Birth Place: STOKE NEWINGTON, London, England Civil Parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 27 Park Street, Islington N Marital Status: Single Occupation: SHOP ASSISTANT Registration district: Islington Registration District Number: 10 Sub-registration district: Islington South East ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Piece: 927
Maybe slightly wrong DOB at death ??
Albert Augustus Kelly in the UK, Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919 Name: Albert Augustus Kelly Rank: AB Birth Date: 1 Dec 1887 Birth Place: Shepherds Bush, London Branch of Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Cause of Death: Died from disease Official Number Port Division: R/4177. Death Date: 16 Jan 1918 Ship or Unit: Hawke Battalion Royal Naval Division Location of Grave: Not recorded Name and Address of Cemetery: Rocquigny-Equancourt Road British Cemetery, Near Etricourt, France Relatives Notified and Address: Widow: Lily M, 31 Swansea Road, Llanelly
Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%) Kelly Albert A Bowen Llanelly 11a 1835
Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%) Bowen Lily M Kelly Llanelly 11a 1365
EDIT: When his brother Albert Fitzroy was killed in 1916, his home address was given as "Genelly", South Wales - Llanelly ??
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Maddie
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29 Dec 2017 11:39 |
sorry i have not replied before, been away for christmas, I hope you all had a happy one. Thank you for all the information supplied, no wonder I couldn't find him. So he wasn't a bilogical son afterall.
Happy new year maddie
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