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I have to say very many thanks to my wonderful research Sue in South Africa she has traced the Appleby family back to 1813 in Surrey via the family in SA

A tree on Ancestry says that his parents were William Appleby & Maria Johanna Giles.

Adding to what ArgyllGran says, if he was the son of Elizabeth Isabella Appleby nee Welford/Walford, she would have been only 13 when he was born 1894.

There is no evidence amongst all the above, that Joseph and Elizabeth were Raymond's parents, nor is there any sign of his birth in the UK

He was not with Joseph & Elizabeth in 1901, when he would only have been 7.

Although the names seem like a big coincidence, perhaps that's all it is.
Perhaps he was born in South Africa, and is no relation of Joseph & Elizabeth..

Thank you all for the info, lots to work out

1911

Name: Joseph Appleby
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Fatfield, County Durham, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
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County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 3 Turner's Terrace Wallsend
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Colliery Waggonman
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 30708
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Appleby 31
Elizabeth Isabella Appleby 30
Mary Ann Welford Appleby 9
Thomas Welford Appleby

and more children

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Appleby Hilda Welford Tynemouth 10b 364 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Appleby Stephen Welford Tynemouth 10b 514

Andy

Joseph is with his parents in 1901 although listed as married.

Joseph Appleby 68
Elizabeth Appleby 53
John Appleby 26
William Appleby 23
Jane Appleby 17
Mary A Appleby 13
Stephen Appleby 9
Joseph Appleby 21

Elizabeth I. with parents in 1901 (It's Elizabeth I. on original). She's daughter, married.

Thomas Welford 49
Esther Welford 45
John Thos Welford 21
Ethel Welford 12
Edith M Welford 9
Elizabeth J Appleby 20

Parents weren't married until 1900:


Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)

Appleby Joseph Tynemouth 10b 393
Welford Elizabeth I Tynemouth 10b 393

tree on ancestry has no parents entered
has this for mabel

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1896 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1896

(AGE)
Birth of Brother Victor Richman(1901–1901)
22 Jan 1901 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1901

5
Death of Brother Victor Richman(1901–1901)
25 Jan 1901 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1901

5
Birth of Sister Lillian Gertrude Richman(1904–)
16 Nov 1904 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1904

8
Birth of Daughter Madge Appleby(1918–)
abt 1918

1918

21
Death of Father George Richman(1861–1933)
19 Jan 1933 • Kirkwood, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1933

37
Death of Mother Peninah Smith(1862–1952)
1952 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1952

56
Death
1953 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

raymond
Birth
23 Aug 1894 • Yorkshire, England

1894

(AGE)
Birth of Daughter Madge Appleby(1918–)
abt 1918

1918

23
Death of Wife Mabel Richman(1896–1953)
1953 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1953

59
Arrival
17 Feb 1956 • Southampton, England

Age: 61

1956

61
Death
6 June 1969 • Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1969

74
Departure
Durban, South Africa
Ports of Voyage
Durban; East London; Port Elizabeth; Cape Town and Las Palmas


another tree has his parents as
William Appleby
Maria Johanna Giles

but no evidence

2nd wife Francina johanna
Birth
15/08/1900

1900

(AGE)
Arrival
17 Feb 1956 • Southampton, England

1956

55
Death of Husband Raymond Walford Appleby(1894–1969)
6 June 1969 • Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality, Eastern Cape, South Africa

1969

68
Death
07/10/1982

Name: Francina Johanna Appleby
Death Date: 10 Jul 1982
High Court: Western Cape High Court
High Court Provincial Division: Cape Town, The Western Cape, South Africa
Estate Number: 7281/1982
Will: NO
Customary Law: NO
Spouse: Raymond W. Appleby

There must be another thread Chris as I have ticked this household on 1911 :


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Turners Terrace Wallsend on Tyne, Wallsend, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Appleby Head Married Male Colliery Waggonman 31 1880 Fatfield Co Durham
Transcription
Elizabeth Isabella Appleby Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Seafold Hill Farm Northumberland
Transcription
Mary Ann Welford Appleby Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Willington Stables Noethumberland
Transcription
Thomas Welford Appleby Son - Male At Home 2 1909 Washington Co Durham

NO Raymond though ???

Dea x

Name: Raymond Walford Appleby
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1894
Death Date: 6 Jun 1969
Death Place: Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Cemetery: South End Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Mabel Appleby
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

Name: Mabel Appleby
Death Date: 23 Aug 1950
Death Place: Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Cemetery: South End Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Raymond Walford Appleby
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

Was there another 'Thread' relating, I have a Tick, as 'Viewed before' on Passenger List...

Chris :)

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1305079

(Gravestone)

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

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Raymond Appleby

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Raymond Appleby
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1894
Age: 61
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 17 Feb 1956
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Durban
Ship Name: Winchester Castle
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Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 0722/01

travelling with franchina born 15/08/00
going to finsbury court finsbury london e.c 2, a merchant
south african, intending to stay 4 months

This persons info comes from his grave stone in South Africa
RAYMOND WALFORD APPLEBY 1894-1969
Looking for his parents, no joy on any site, one tree on a site said he was born in Yorkshire, he m 1st a MABEL RICHMAN 1896-1950 first child Madge born South Africa