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Maddie
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26 Nov 2017 13:34 |
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john lloyd was a carpenter
1851
Bartholomew Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
John Lloyd Head Married Male 42 1809 Joiner Ansley, Warwickshire, England
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Sarah Lloyd Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Shropshire, England
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Ann Lloyd Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Shropshire, England
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Rosanna Lloyd Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Sarah Lloyd Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Mary Francis Sister In Law Unmarried Female 29 1822 - Shropshire, England
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Joseph Butler Lodger Unmarried Male 31 1820 Furnace Man And Wire Mill Worcestershire, England
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Joseph Jones Lodger Widower Male 45 1806 Wire Drawer Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Darwin Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England
John Lloyd Male 30 1811 Warwickshire, England joiner
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Sarah Lloyd Female 25 1816 -
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Ann Lloyd Female 8 1833 -
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Rosenah Lloyd Female 3 1838 Warwickshire, England
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Elizabeth Lloyd Female 1 1840 Warwickshire, England
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John Phillips Male 20 1821
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Dea
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26 Nov 2017 13:28 |
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Just off out but these are the witnesses from that marriage:
Robert and Rosehannah Skinner:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
38, Bartholomew Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Skinner Head Married Male 36 1825 Brass Founder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Rosannah Skinner Wife Married Female 23 1838 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Thomas Skinner Son - Male 3 1858 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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William Skinner Son - Male 0 1861 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Thomas Brillain Lodger Widower Male 63 1798 Brass Founder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Thomas Martin Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1838 ... Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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26 Nov 2017 13:25 |
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
LINDSAY, WILLIAM JOHN LLOYD Order
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 106
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26 Nov 2017 13:24 |
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I think that marriage may be the right one, as not seeing William Lindsay with an Ann in 1861 and 71
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Dea
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26 Nov 2017 13:21 |
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Does it give an occupation for John on the cert ?
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Maddie
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26 Nov 2017 13:19 |
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Name: Ann Lloyd
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1833
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1853
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Martin
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Father: John Lloyd
Spouse: William Lindsay
but a death for william seems to be 1874 so mayb not
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26 Nov 2017 13:16 |
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The 1862 burial relates to a different Ann, age 12 so doesn't appear to be connected.
Name:Age at Death (in years):Order:
PITT, ANN 12 Order
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 24
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26 Nov 2017 13:14 |
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PITT, ROSANNA LLOYD Order
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 112
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
PITT, ROSANNA 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 228
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malyon
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26 Nov 2017 13:07 |
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Ann Pitt
England Deaths and Burials
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Ann Pitt
Gender
Female
Burial Date
03 Aug 1862
Burial Place
St. Bartholomew'S, Birmingham, Warwick, England
just wonder where was sarah and rose pitt in the in 1871 census
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Andrew
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26 Nov 2017 12:57 |
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Thats the problem. I can't find anything for her at the moment.
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26 Nov 2017 12:47 |
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What have you found prior to the marriage - I'm just wondering if her mother re-married to a Lindsay, and that was what she married under, although born Lloyd? Or she may have been born prior to her mothers marriage to John Lindsay, and recorded as Lloyd on the census?
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26 Nov 2017 11:58 |
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Need some help with this family please
1861 census
Name: Henry Pett
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Pett
Mother's name: Ann Pett
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
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Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 2148
Folio: 122
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pett 25 Brass Founder
Ann Pett 28
Sarah Pett 7
Henry Pett 3
Rose Pett 2/12
1871
Name: Thomas Pitt
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Pitt
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Duddeston cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 3144
Folio: 75
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pitt 35Chandelier maker
Ann Pitt 39
Henry Pitt 13
Anne Pitt 6
Edward Pitt 4
Albert Pitt 1
Alice Hall 9
Birth of some children, MMN seems to be Lloyd
PITT, HENRY LLOYD Order
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 120
PITT, ANN LLOYD Order
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 303
and baptism
Name: Henry Pitt Pitt
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1858
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Bartholomew
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Father: Thomas Pitt Brass Founder
Mother: Ann Pitt
Name: Ann Pitt
Age: 0
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1865
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1865
Baptism Place: Duddeston, St Matthew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Duddeston, St Matthew
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Father: Thomas Pitt Gas fitter
Mother: Ann Pitt
and then this marriage, which fits for time and place and ages.
Name: Thomas Pitt - Gas fitter
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1836
Marriage Date: 9 Mar 1857
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St George
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Father: Joseph Pitt
Spouse: Ann Lindsay - spinster father John Lindsay
Witnesses namse very hard to read.
Both Thomas and Ann are correct age for the census records.
My problem. All the births that I can find to match the census show MMN Lloyd. As far as I can see there are no Pitt/Lindsay births. Ann Lindsay says spinster so no previous name. I cannot see Ann Lindsay with father John in previous census.
The occupation for Thomas varies, Gas fitter, Chandelier maker, Brass founder.
So, have I got the correct marraige to match the censuses? I can't see Ann Lloyd marrying Thomas Pitt.
Please note, I don't need any other info about the family, just trying to sort out the marriage for Thomas and Ann.
Grateful for any assistance
Andy
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