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Nyx thank you so much for all your help with this - unfortunately I have been dealing with the funeral/probate of an elderly aunt so haven't been about, but will go through what you have found for me over the next week or so.

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Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Breeze Frederick J Breeze Liverpool S. 8b 155
Brown Frederick J Breeze Liverpool S. 8b 155

Births Sep 1939 (>99%)
Brown June M Breeze Liverpool S. 8b 310

That first household, Emily Smith , she became Smith on marriage in 1948, but though she was born Emily E breeze I can't see a marriage to Brown in between... I can however see a birth of an Arthur ?
Births Sep 1935 (>99%)
Breeze Arthur Breeze Liverpool N. 8b 672

Do you think Emily might have taken the name Brown without marrying and that Arthur is her son by James?

Brown Household (9 People)
120 Gladstone , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

James C Brown 05 ? 1889 Male ? Discharge ? Empress Discharged Married 153 1
Emily Smith (Brown,Breeze) 23 Nov 1914 Female House Keeper Unpaid Domestic Single 153 2
Elizabeth Higgins (Brown) 17 Jun 1922 Female Shop Assistant Confectioner Single 153 3
Anthony Brown 12 Feb 1924 Male Errand Boy Boot Repairer Single 153 4

Household (7 People)
14 Gatclif Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
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James C Brown 28 Dec 1886 Male House Decorator Married 167 999
Elizabeth Brown 04 Sep 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 167 2
Elizabeth M Pople (Brown) 20 Jan 1916 Female Fancy Packer - Tobacco Single 167 3
James C Brown 17 Nov 1920 Male Paint Mixer & Grinder (Heavy Work Single 167 4
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Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
BROWN James C Richards W. Derby 8b 588
Richards Elizabeth Brown W.Derby 8b 588

Brown Household (9 People)
120 Gladstone , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

James C Brown 05 ? 1889 Male ? Discharge ? Empress Discharged Married 153 1
Emily Smith (Brown,Breeze) 23 Nov 1914 Female House Keeper Unpaid Domestic Single 153 2
Elizabeth Higgins (Brown) 17 Jun 1922 Female Shop Assistant Confectioner Single 153 3
Anthony Brown 12 Feb 1924 Male Errand Boy Boot Repairer Single 153 4
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Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)

Brown James C West Derby 8b 985
Maher Annie W.Derby 8b 985

If we can assume that father James C Brown died between Arthur's birth and the marriage then there are these two that it might be possible to find on the 1911 census or 1939 ?

Deaths Sep 1950 (>99%)
Brown James C 62 Liverpool N. 10d 341 Scan available - click to view

Deaths Dec 1960 (>99%)
BROWN James C 70 Liverpool N. 10d 160

Hi Nyx - unfortunately don't have a scanner, so not possible.

Can you scan the cert into your computer and add the image on your 'Keepsafe' ( top menu) then someone might be able to decipher the address?

Hi Shirley, I have a copy of the marriage cert now- it doesn't give me much on Arthur, only that his father was James Christopher and had died before the marriage - the address is unreadable unfortunately.

Hi Trudy

well we dont have the info you have so when finding things we post so as can refer back to

sometimes one lead leads to the finding of other info

Hi Trudy

You really need to purchase a copy of the marriage cert to be able to get any further with Arthur Brown.

thank you everyone for the death info for Pauline - I will pass it on to him

Here is the Bellew family on the 1939 register.......

(Same address as Pauline)

18 Lewis Grove , Widnes M.B., Lancashire, England

Peter Bellew 25 Mar 1896 Male Builders Labourer Married 72 1
Mary Bellew 05 Oct 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 72 2
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Peter Bellew 27 Apr 1927 Male At School Single 72 4
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Anthony Bellew 01 Jul 1931 Male At School Single 72 6
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On freebmd there are several siblings or Pauline from 1927 so probably they haven't been picked up as deceased so still closed records

Her parents and a couple of siblings are on the 1939 reg all listed separately for some reason although in the same household
There are several closed records so the transcribers haven't linked them togther

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Deaths Sep 1976 (>99%)
BROWN PAULINE 5 JY 1940 LIVERPOOL 36 572S

The informant was maybe a year out in her birth
The day and month match the 1939 record


First name(s) PAULINE
Last name BROWN
Gender Female
Birth day 5
Birth month 7
Birth year 1940
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1976
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Volume 36
Page 0572S
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Do you have the marriage cert that gives his father's name

Well, this is Pauline on 1939 - she is in a strange household as all the other entries are closed ??

What is the significance of 'Bridget' which has been added in green writing ?
It has RC 13655 written with this? - Could she have been christened with that name as an adult?

Also in green writing at the other side of page is CR 282/LIP ? 2 2 62 ? - could this have been the date of her marriage and was she christened at the same time ??

Her name change to Brown was also in green and the original name was, in fact, BELLEW !

All this writing appears to have been added at the same time.

Household (4 People) 18 Lewis Grove , Widnes M.B., Lancashire, England
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Pauline (Bridget) Brown (Bellen) 05 Jul 1939 -
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Can't be sure of 'Arthur' - do you know anything more about him please - perhaps from the marriage cert?

Dea x

Am looking for him - he is the father of my brother in law, although he left home before my brother in law was 11 (he is now 55) and the whole family was split up. We are not wanting to contact him, just to be able to fill in some gaps in my BIL's family history for him.

Arthur married Pauline Bellew in Liverpool South in 1962, aged 26, and they went on to have 4 children, James (my BIL) in 1962, Paul in 1963, David in 1965 and Andrew in 1967.

Although I cannot find the entry for her death, I understand from my BIL that his Mum committed suicide just before his 12th birthday, by which time his Dad was long gone from the marriage. I do have her birth certificate and she was born in 1939 in Prescot.

My BIL also believes, though cannot be sure, that he was named after his Grandfather - BIL's name is James Christopher. This is where my dilemma begins - even with a common surname I can only locate one Arthur Brown, born 1936 in Liverpool, however then tracing back a marriage from this birth entry the fathers name is William not James.

I have looked in the 1939 register and cannot find him, so seem to have hit a bit of a dead end. If anyone has any ideas where else I might look I would really appreciate it.

thank you.