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"Welsh" family look up Wales & Ireland

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Julie

Julie Report 11 Oct 2017 08:43

Hi I'm looking for help Please. I have a Welsh family from Cwm Monmouthshire, they are William, Jane, Ellen, Bridget and Alice with parents Thomas bn abt 1841 Ireland, who married Mary Cale. Can anyone help find the marriage of Thomas or his siblings and parents before he had his family here in Wales. I have also not been able to find William with his family,
Thank you in advance
Julie

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Oct 2017 10:09

Please will you copy/paste a census you've found them on?

There are several families involving some of those names, but I don't see one actually in Cwm.


EDIT:

Not in Cwm, but maybe this one ???


Thomas Welsh
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Welsh
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Welsh
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Aberystruth
Ecclesiastical parish: Beaufort
Town: Ebbw Vale
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 5315
Folio: 52
Page Number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Welsh 30
Mary Welsh 28
Bridgett Welsh 10
Ellen Welsh 6
Jane Welsh 4
Alice Welsh 1 Month
Thomas Scott 40
John Allen 30
John Williams 26


Yes, could be them:

WELSH, ALICE mms CALE
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 97

Can't see the other children's births, though, unless with mms mistranscribed, and in other reg districts.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Oct 2017 10:32

Same family ???

Bridgett Welsh
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Bridgett Welsh
Age: 2/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Welsh
Mother's name: Mary Welsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Llantwit-Fardre, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llantwit Fardre
Ecclesiastical parish: Glyntaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Llantrisaint
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 327
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4044
Folio: 30
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Richd Bishop 36
Margt Bishop 25
Mary Ann Bishop 5
Ellen Bishop 6/12
Thomas Welsh 22 - boarder, rail carrier
Mary Welsh 21
William Welsh 1 - born Ireland
Bridgett Welsh 2/12
Thomas Reed 25



???

WELSH, BRIDGET mms CALNE
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 251

Julie

Julie Report 11 Oct 2017 10:32

Yes This is them

Julie

Julie Report 11 Oct 2017 10:36

Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Oct 2017 10:38

I don't see Thomas & Mary's marriage, I'm afraid.

As William was born in Ireland, presumably they married there.
I don't see William's birth, either.

Julie

Julie Report 11 Oct 2017 10:49

Ok thank you for all your help though

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Oct 2017 12:07

Could be Ellen's birth though mmn is not given?

WELSH, ELLEN - Order
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 68

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Oct 2017 20:24


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crooked Row, Aberystruth, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Welsh Head - Male 30 1841 - Ireland
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Mary Welsh Wife - Female 28 1843 - Ireland
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Bridgett Welsh Daughter - Female 10 1861 Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire, Wales
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Ellen Welsh Daughter - Female 6 1865 Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire, Wales
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>>Jane Welsh Daughter - Female 4 1867 Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire, Wales
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Alice Welsh Daughter - Female 1 1870 Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire, Wales
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Thomas Lett Lodger - Male 40 1831 - Ireland
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John Allen Lodger - Male 30 1841 - Ireland
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John Williams Lodger - Male 26 1845 - Gloucestershire, England


Possibles for Jane.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, School Row, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Thomas Head Married Male 50 1831 Labourer Iron Works Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Jane Thomas Wife Married Female 60 1821 Wife Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
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Elizabeth Jane Daniels Niece Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
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>.Jane Welsh Servant Single Female 14 1867 General Servant -
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Emily Watkins Boarder Single Female 18 1863 Domestic -
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William Goode Boarder Single Male 19 1862 Labourer Steel Works Ballingham, Herefordshire, England
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George Walker Boarder Single Male 20 1861 - Hereford, Herefordshire, England
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John Clatworthy Boarder Single Male 19 1862 - -




England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

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First name(s) JANE
Last name WELSH
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1886
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JANE WELSH married one of these people
>>Denis Harrington,>Jane Harrington Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Ireland
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John Harrington Son Single Male 4 1887 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Margaret Harrington Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Mary Harrington Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Monmouthshire, Wales



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
380, Moss Bay Road, Workington, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Dennis Harrington Head Married Male 33 1868 Blastfurnace Man Ireland
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>>Jane Harrington Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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John Harrington Son - Male 13 1888 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Maggie Harrington Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Mary Harrington Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Michael Harrington Son - Male 8 1893 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Catherine Harrington Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Ellen Harrington Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Monmouthshire, Wales
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Thomas Harrington Son - Male 0 1901 - Workington, Cumberland, England



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
135 King Street Cwm Mon, Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
>>Jane Harrington Head Widow Female - 42 1869 Wales Ebbw Vale
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John Harrington Son Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 24 1887 Wales Ebbw Vale
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Michael Harrington Son Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 19 1892 Wales Ebbw Vale
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Ellen Harrington Daughter Single Female - 13 1898 Ebbw Vale Wales
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Thomas Harrington Son Single Male - 12 1899 Ebbw Vale Wales
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Denis Harrington Son Single Male - 7 1904 Ebbw Vale Wales

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Oct 2017 20:56

Wondering if this was Bridget.


England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

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First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name KINGSTON
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1881
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ SAMUEL KINGSTON married one of these people
Mary Alice Thomas,>> Bridget Welsh>
District Bedwellty
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 122




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Furnace Row, Aberystruth, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Kingston Head Married Male 23 1858 Labourer Cork, Cork, Ireland
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Bridget Kingston Wife Married Female 20 1861 - Waterford, Waterford, Ireland
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John Walsh Nephew Single Male 4 1877 - Ebbw Vale




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Love Lane Court, Love Lane, St Mary Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Kingston Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer Ireland
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>>Bridget Kingston Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Glamorgan, Wales
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John Kingston Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Monmouthshire, Wales
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Mary A Kingston Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar -
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Thomas Kingston Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Glamorgan, Wales
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Thomenasa Kingston Daughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Glamorgan, Wales
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Rachael Kingston Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Glamorgan, Wales
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Bucket Kingston Daughter - Male 0 1891 - Glamorgan, Wales



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Seventh Row, Ebbw Vale, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Kingston Head Widower Male 42 1859 Seimens Furnace Labourer Cork, Cork, Ireland
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Mary Kingston Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Labourer In Brickyard Cumberland, England
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Thomosin Kingston Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
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Bridget Kingston Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
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Richard Kingston Son - Male 10 1891 - Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Oct 2017 21:03

Bridget is living in Furnace Row in 1881. Her place of birth is Waterford. The same census shows this William living nearby.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Furnace Row, Aberystruth, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Dennis Sullivan Head Married Male 46 1835 Labourer Kerry, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Ellen Sullivan Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Cork, Cork, Ireland
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John Sullivan Son Single Male 20 1861 Labourer City of London, Middlesex, England
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Margaret Sullivan Daughter Single Female 18 1863 - City of London, Middlesex, England
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Michael Sullivan Son Single Male 16 1865 Labourer Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
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Patrick Sullivan Son Single Male 13 1868 Labourer Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
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Daniel Sullivan Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
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Denis Sullivan Son Single Male 2 1879 - Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales
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John Lynch Boarder Single Male 46 1835 Labourer Victoria, Monmouthshire, Wales
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>>William Welsh Boarder Single Male 21 1860 Labourer Waterford, Waterford, Ireland
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James Barry Boarder Single Male 46 1835 Labourer Cork, Cork, Ireland


???

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
Duffy Susan Lanchester 10a 454
>>McDonald Margaret Lanchester 10a 454
McGinn James Lanchester 10a 454
>>Welch William Lanchester 10a 454




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Constance Street, Conside and Knitsley, Lanchester, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Savage Head Married Male 36 1855 Steel Smelter England
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Mary Ellen Savage Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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John W Savage Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Consett, Durham, England
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Richard H Savage Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Consett, Durham, England
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Albert Savage Son - Male 2 1889 - Consett, Durham, England
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Ruben Savage Son - Male 0 1891 - Consett, Durham, England
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Sarah A Savage Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Consett, Durham, England
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Jane Jones Savage Stepdaughter Single Female 15 1876 - Yorkshire, England
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Annie Savage Stepdaughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar Consett, Durham, England
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>>William Welsh Lodger Married Male 30 1861 Iron Worker
City of Waterford
>>Margaret Welsh Lodger Married Female 23 1868 - Consett, Durham, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, Princes Street, Consett, Lanchester, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Welsh Head Married Male 40 1861 Rollers Helper Steel Works Waterford, Hertfordshire, England
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Margaret Welsh Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Consett, Durham, England
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Thomas Welsh Son - Male 9 1892 - Blackhill, Durham, England
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Frank Welsh Son - Male 7 1894 - Consett, Durham, England
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Agnes Welsh Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Blackhill, Durham, England
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Patrick Welsh Son - Male 1 1900 - Blackhill, Durham, England
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Agnes McDonald Mother-In-Law Widow Female 76 1825 - Blackhill, Durham, England



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Princess St Consett Court Durham, Consett, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
>>William Welsh Head Married Male Roolers Helper 50 1861 Ebbw Vale Wales
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Thomas Welsh Son Single Male Labourer 21 1890 Blackhill Durham
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Patrick Welsh Son - Male School 11 1900 Consett Durham
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John Welsh Son - Male School 5 1906 Consett Durham
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David Welsh Son - Male - 2 1909 Consett Durham
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Mary Welsh Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Consett Durham
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Margaret Welsh Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Consett Durham


William's birth place alters quite a bit but Ebbw Vale is there as is Waterford. In 1901 Herts seems to have been added so I'm wondering if this was assumed. Seemingly it is a village whilst the one in Ireland is a city.

Waterford is a village in the East Hertfordshire district of Hertfordshire,

Waterford is a city in Ireland.