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H I have a couple who married or proclaimed a getting together, 1851 records, What is the difference? I also have 2 children born the same year but different dates.

Jean and Jane Stevenson born 05/12/1819 and Jane 14/11 /1819 to same parents??? any answers out there all in Neilston.

Cheers,


Jack Steele
Ontario, Canada

Never heard of this . Is it UK

Is this the family

Different ages for the girls

1841 Scotland Census No Image

Name: Jean Stevensen
[Jean Stevenson]
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Renfrewshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Neilston
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Loes Bogside
Parish Number: 572
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stevensen 55
Jean Stevensen 5
John Stevensen 25
Jean Stevensen 20
Janet Stevensen 15
James Stevensen 14
Agnes Stevensen 10
David Stevensen 7

Or this one so could be the other jean

1841 census
Name: Jean Stevenson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Renfrewshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Neilston
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Neilston Village
Parish Number: 572
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stevenson 60
Eliz Stevenson 60
Mary Stevenson 30
Alexr Stevenson 25
Jean Stevenson 20
David Stevenson 20
Eliz Stevenson 5

Afraid as it's Scotlands People so can't look at the marriage
Think though official registration didn't start till 1855 in Scotland so maybe that's a parish record and to do with what the religion that they married in

There are a couple of things to understand Jack.

Firstly, marriage by proclamation was completely acceptable in Scotland in the time period.
They were basically cohabiting but so long as they both declared it in front of a witness, ( often the local Church Minister), they were fully accepted by the church as husband and wife.
My ancestors were also "proclaimed" as married, 2 days before the birth of their 1st child.
No doubt, the Minister paid them a visit in relation to the impending birth.!

Secondly, Jane, Jean and Jeanie are all interchangeable names.
Any version could be used at any time.
There was rarely any uniformity !

It looks to me that the child was born on 14 Nov 1819 and baptised on 5 Dec 1819.
The birth name is shown as Jean

There is only one entry on SP.
The baptismal index only ever shows one of the dates but you will need to obtain this OPR entry to clarify exactly what it says.

Pre 1855 entries are actually Baptismal Records.
They often include a birth date but, this depended how good the clerk was at record keeping.
Unless the child was baptised, there was no other form of recording a birth


STEVENSON
JEAN
JOHN STEVENSON/JEAN WARK FR573 (FR573)
F
05/12/1819
572/
20 443
Neilston

There is no entry ,anywhere in Scotland for a child named Jane, born to this couple in 1819.
Where did you find the Nov Date?

Hi,, Thank you for the replies. Re the jean /Jane thing. My mother was Jane on her birth certificate but I only knew her as JEAN, until she died and I saw her birth certificate.
Re the Stevenson s etc. Yes I saw the birthdate as 05/12/1819 in Neilston. But who did she marry?? Scotlands people only show the bride and groom name on an OPR list. No parents to confirm correct person involved. And thank you for the clarification of the Marriage/ declaration item.

Cheers,

Jack Steele
Ontario, Canada

This is the marriage for the parents, I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for or the marriage of their daughter?

John Stevenson

Marriage Date:23 Dec 1814

Marriage Place:Neilston,Renfrew,Scotland

Spouse:Jean Wark

FHL Film Number:1041281, 0102070
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
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1861 Census
Jane Bennie[Jane Stevenston]

Age:40

Estimated birth year:abt 1821

Relationship:Wife

Spouse's name :Andrew Bennie

Father's name:John Stevenston

Gender:Female

Where born:Neilston, Renfrewshire

Registration Number:575

Registration district:Renfrew

Civil Parish:Renfrew
County:Renfrewshire

Address:Inchimnan Road Kirkland Neuk

ED:10
Household schedule number:21
LINE:5
Roll:CSSCT1861_81

Andrew Bennie 34
Jane Bennie 40
Robert Bennie 7
John Stevenston 75
David Fullarton 25
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This looks like the marriage for the daughter as the above census shows her with her father and her husband

Jane Stevenson

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:31 Dec 1851

Marriage Place:Renfrew,Renfrew,Scotland

Spouse:Andrew Bennie

FHL Film Number:1041327

Here is the death of Jane Stevenson who married Andrew Bennie.
Parentage can only be confirmed by obtaining the Death Cert.

BENNIE
JANE
80
1900
**575/ 98**
Renfrew

STEVENSON
JANE
80
1900
**575/ 98**
Renfrew


( Same Index No refers to same death)