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Sarah Connor
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Connor
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1883
Father: Patrick Connor
Mother: Ann Connor
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
Residence Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: Ancoats
ED, Institution or Vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3232
Folio: 70
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Connor 47 - warehouse man
Ann Connor 40
Mary Ellen Connor 17
Richard Connor 15
Ann Connor 11
Sarah Connor 8

The whole family born in Manchester.

???

CONNELL, SARAH mms GANNON
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 214


and possibly Ann, who is on the 1881 census??

CONNELL, ANN mms GANNON
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 95

With daughter Sarah in 1901. Now his YOB is c1851 !

(At least I assume this is the right Patrick ?)

Patrick Connell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Patrick Connell
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Galway, Ireland
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Allum street
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3742
Folio: 33
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Connell 50 - general dealer, rags, etc.
Sarah Connell 18
Margaret Fannon 34 - boarder
Michael Fannon 4 - boarder

For our reference:

Patrick Connell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Patrick Connell
Age in 1911: 74
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tuam, Galway, Ireland
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 27 Cowlishaw Builder Oldham Raod Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cark Dealer [Cask dealer on image ]
Registration district: Manchester
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 24091
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Connell 74
Clara Connell 48
France Leigeant 50 - boarder [ Frances Sergeant on image ]
Lawrence Donavan 5 - grandson


No sign of Sarah, though. And his YOB given as c1837.

Married 3 years.

Hi AustinQ
Patrick married again in 1908 to Clara Boulland. I have sent for the certificate. In the 1911 he is with Clara and his daughter Sarah born 1883.

I have found him in the other census, one says his wife is Ann ( could be Mary Ann and her using her middle name)

Yes she did marry James Ogley and I have all his details going way back thanks. Thats the death in 1918 - he was born in 1843/44

off to work now, back later :-)

I'm totally confused by this.

If Patrick didn't die until 1918, where is he in later census?

I'm not seeing his 1918 death in Manchester. Although there is this death in Tuam 1918:

Name: Patrick Connell
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Death Age: 74
Registration district: Tuam
Volume: 4
Page: 264
FHL Film Number: 0101605
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Who did Mary Ellen (born 1873) marry? James Ogley?

Sorry- I have visitors. I'll try and take a look at this tomorrow

AustinQ

Yes thats the one.
I have been down to Manchester Archives and had help but cant pinpoint anything. Even the Registrar checked all the births in England for Mary Ellen (who on the 1939 register says her birth date was 16 Sept 1873) but no luck. All had father with a different first name

:-(

I suspect there are mistakes in that census.
Can't find any of the children's births - at least not all with the same mms, in Manchester.
Nor in Ireland.


Apart from that:

"M" needn't be a Mary. She could be Margaret Bregan/Bergan in the 1868 marriage.

Or this could be some totally different couple!

Jan- when was Patrick born. I'm not seeing the census you mean. There is this one- but not born Ireland: Is it the census you mean?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
37, Jersey Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Patrick Connell Lodger Head Married Male 38 1843 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire
M Connell Wife Married Female 38 1843 - Manchester, Lancashire,
Mary E Connell Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire,
R L Connell Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire,
Ann Connell Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Manchester, Lancashire,

thanks folks

They came over to England and settled in Manchester. I have him being buried back in Tuam Galway in 1918.
Presume he died in Manchester and was taken back to Ireland.

On the census I have for him it says wife M and it only gives R for the son - not very helpful.

plenty of Marys to chose from then :-(

I have been searching for his children's births, but am drawing a blank. never mind will put all the information you have found for me on file and come back to it all later.

very grateful to you all

Jan xx

Long shot -

As Mary Turner was one of the possible 1866 brides, I wonder if this child could be theirs? (As proof of Patrick 1866's bride's name, I mean?)

Do you know if Patrick had children?

Bridget Connell
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Bridget Connell
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1868
Birth Place: Galway, Ireland
Father: Patrick Connell
Mother: Mary Turner
FHL Film Number: 101178

Do you know where Patrick lived after marriage? Is Dunmore a possibility?

These from FMP - there's certainly a choice of Mary's !!! No images, transcripts only.

Ireland Marriages 1845-1958 Transcription

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Connell
Registration year 1866
Registered Quarter/Year 1866
Registration district Tuam
Volume 4
Page 718
MarriageFinder™ Patrick Connell married one of these people
Mary Turner, Mary Diskin, Mary Ruane, Catherine Corrigan
County Galway
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958

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Ireland Marriages 1845-1958 Transcription

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Connell
Registration year 1868
Registered Quarter/Year 1868
Registration district Gort
Volume 14
Page 127
MarriageFinder™ Patrick Connell married one of these people
Bridget Cleran, Margaret Beyan, Maria Hallinan, Mary Cahill, Margaret Bergan

-----------------------------------------------
Ireland Marriages 1845-1958 Transcription

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Connell
Registration year 1870
Registered Quarter/Year 1870
Registration district Tuam
Volume 4
Page 721
MarriageFinder™ Patrick Connell married one of these people
Mary Reddington, Mary M'Gragh, Catherine M'Loughlin, Mary Comer
County Galway
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958

Ditto 1870:

SR District/Reg Area - Tuam
Marriage of PATRICK CONNELL
in 1870
Name PATRICK CONNELL
Date of Event 1870
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Tuam
Returns Year 1870
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 4
Returns Page No 721

Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained

1866 - but no image with wife's name viewable on IrishGenealogy.
I can't see this marriage on Ancestry. [EDIT: yes I can - with list of possible brides, as posted by GG below]:

SR District/Reg Area - Tuam
Marriage of PATRICK CONNELL
in 1866
Name PATRICK CONNELL
Date of Event 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Tuam
Returns Year 1866
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 4
Returns Page No 718

Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained:

https://tinyurl.com/jqa6729

The 1868 one??? (From Ancestry)

Margaret Bregan
in the Ireland, Select Marriages, 1619-1898
Name: Margaret Bregan
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Date: 1838
Marriage Date: 11 Jul 1868 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage Place: Gort, Galway, Ireland
Father: Patrick Bregan
Spouse: Patrick Connell
FHL Film Number: 101533
Reference ID: p127 ln44

Does the above mean he married 3 times or are you not sure where he married.
What else do you know about him...


I have found a Patrick Connell in the Gort Parish area wife is Brid. OBrien cant find a marriage as the Registers covering that time period are not transcribed /Missing....the info came from Baptisms of their children.

Hi Greyghost

Name
Patrick Connell marriage 1866 Tuam Galway

" " " 1868 Gort Galway

" " " 1870 Tuam Galway.

looking for the spouse please.



:-)

thanks will give it a try


:-)

If no joy on ArgyllGran's suggested site, either post the names and approx. dates, or if recent send me a PM and I'll have a look on FMP when I can. They go up to approx. 1958 where there is coverage.