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My direct ancestor is Elizabeth Griffiths 1838 Stoke on Trent there are two possible mothers names for this ancestor - Jackson or Hurst

Elizabeth's father is george Griffiths born newcastke under Lyme staffs (1809) as determined by her marriage certificate 1865 SOT to George Rawlins / Rawlings.

I m struggling to locate a marriage for George Griffths so I can ascertain if Elizabeths mother is hurst or Jackson.

Thank you !!

Does she show on any census with siblings that you can check for birth registration

Her marriage cert would not show the age and place of birth of her father ??

It would show his occupation - what was this please?

Dea x

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george is a potter


Staffordshire marriages Transcription
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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Griffiths
Age 26
Birth year 1839
Marriage year 1865
Marriage date 13 Nov 1865
Marriage place Tunstall, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Residence Tunstall
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Griffiths
Spouse's first name(s) George
Spouse's last name Rawlings
Spouse's age 27
Spouse's residence Tunstall
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Rawlings
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3463/1/20
Page 20
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

in the presence ann griffiths

1871???

ame: Elizabeth Roland
[Elizabeth Rawlins]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Roland
Gender: Female
Where born: Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tunstall
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Tunstall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 21a
Household schedule number: 264
Piece: 2849
Folio: 22
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
George Roland 30
Elizabeth Roland 24
Abraham Roland 5
John Roland 3
George Roland 7 Months


Birth of Abraham

RAWLINS, ABRAHAM ASHWORTH GRIFFITHS Order
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 111

Andy

Event Type
Census
Event Date
1841
Event Place
Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
Residence Note
Burcroft
Gender
Male
Age
30-34
Age (Original)
30
Birth Year (Estimated)
1807-1811
Birthplace
Staffordshire
Registration District
West Bromwich
Parish
Wednesbury
County
Staffordshire
Page Number
13
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
984/52
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Griffiths

M
30-34
Staffordshire
Mary Griffiths

F
30-34
Staffordshire
John Griffiths

M
8
Staffordshire
Willm Griffiths

M
5
Staffordshire
Elizath Griffiths

F
3
Staffordshire
Joseph Glover

M
14

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GRIFFITHS, ELIZABETH HALL Order
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 126

GRIFFITHS, ELIZABETH HURST Order
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 168

GRIFFITHS, ELIZABETH JACKSON Order
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 178

????
her birth might not of been registered

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1851

Name: Elizabeth Griffiths
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Draycott
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Newcastle under Lyme
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Whitmore
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 2001
Folio: 277
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Draycott 50
Elizabeth Draycott 55
Martha Draycott 12
Josiah Draycott 10
>>>>>>Elizabeth Griffiths 12



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1847 (>99%)
Draycott James Newcastle under Lyme 17 135
GRIFFITHS Elizth Newcastle Lyme 17 135
Griffiths Eliz_th Newcastle Lyme 17 135


Andy

The 1871 census is correct I ve come across that before - I don't think it's the right family for 1841 census all Griffiths based around Newcastle u Lyme then movers to burslem - tunstall areas

Oh yeh good idea checking the siblings who were born after 1837 will do that.

Oh just seem that census says born 1847 that would still work out as 18 yrs old for 1865 wedding to George Rawlins (aka Roland's lol)

I meant in my opening comment George was determined as Elizabeths fatter by the marriage cert not his age or residents in Newcastle ??

Do you think that 1851 census indicates the right Elizabeth ( interesting !!)

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pump Street, Penk Hull, Stoke-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Griffths Head Widow Female 48 1813 Paintress Potters Hartshill, Staffordshire, England
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Margaret Griffths Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Paintress Potters Hartshill, Staffordshire, England
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Eliza Griffths Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Paintress Potters Hartshill, Staffordshire, England
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Emma E Griffths Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 Paintress Potters Ap Hartshill, Staffordshire, England
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James Griffths Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Hartshill, Staffordshire, England

Elizabeth Griffiths :///:
mentioned in the record of James Draycott and Elizabeth Griffiths
Name James Draycott
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Griffiths
Event Date 15 Nov 1847
Event Place Saint Giles,Newcastle Under Lyme,Stafford,England
Father's Name James Draycott
Spouse's Father's Name James Chelton!!!!!!

So formerly Elizabeth Chelton so I need to find if she married a George Griffiths !!
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Oooh I ve come across that Emma Elizabeth Griffiths birth tonight need to see who her father was again x

So I can see if that's the sibling of Elizabeth.

Emma Elizabeth Griffiths
England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Name George Leason
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 14 Apr 1868
Event Place Hartshill by Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Hartshill, Staffordshire, England
Parish Holy Trinity
Residence Place Hartshill
Age Full Age
Father's Name George Leason
Spouse's Name Emma Elizabeth Griffiths
Spouse's Residence Place Hartshill
Spouse's Age Full Age
Spouse's Father's Name ://// Thomas Griffiths ?!?!?!
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Wrong father

Part 2 :-)
Still can't find Elizabeth Griffiths mother - no Chelton births or marriages associated with the babe Griffirhs
Also which George is my ancestor

There's George Griffiths 1809 & another one 1816 both Newcastle under Lyme but they have different fathers.

Here for a half hour if anyone can help.