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12 Sep 2017 13:11 |
My great grandmother, Mary Lanigan, née Riley, was born in Wigan in 1830 (approx). In 1858 she married Matthew Lanigan/Lanagan b.1825.. They lived first of all in Beswick Roq, Angel Meadow, Manchester and later in Barrows Court, Greengate, Salford and had six children. The whole family is listed at the same address in the 1871 census, but has split up by 1881. The three oldest children are by then independent but the three youngest, Marcella, John and Matthias were living in industrial schools/orphanages. Matthew was apparently living in Leeds, but appears in the 1891 census as a widower visiting his son Joseph. Of Mary there is no trace after 1871. All the indications would point to her having died sometime during the 1870s but I can find no record of the death of a Mary Lanigan with approximately the correct year of birth (1825). Can anyone help?
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12 Sep 2017 13:16 |
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Death: 22 Mar 1874 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England Maria Lanigan - Burial: 25 Mar 1874 Age: 43 Abode: Salford Sacraments Given: Y Buried by: Gul. Jos. Crombleholme Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives
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12 Sep 2017 19:06 |
Thank you for this.. It looks very promising as the church is the Roman Catholic cathedral and the family were Catholics. I knew there were different spellings of Lanigan that were used. It hadn't occurred to me that I needed to consider spelling variants of Mary.
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12 Sep 2017 23:46 |
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6Y-NZS Event Place Salford, Lancashire, England Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/4020/0324 Matthew Lanigan Head M 46 Westmeath, Ireland M Tailor Mary Lanigan Wife F 41 Wigan, Lancashire M Dressmaker Joseph Lanigan Son M 11 Manchester, Lancashire Scholar Mary Ann Lanigan Daughter F 7 Manchester, Lancashire Scholar Marcella Lanigan Daughter F 5 Manchester, Lancashire Scholar John Lanigan Son M 2 Manchester, Lancashire Matthias Lanigan Son M 0 Manchester, Lancashire
Now piece number 4020 is a Greengate Subdistrict piece number.
Here are the 1871 and 1881 Salford piece numbers.
SALFORD RD RG10 Pendleton 4008-4012 Broughton 4013-4015 Greengate 4016-4020 Regent Road 4021-4027
SALFORD RD RG11 Pendleton 3941-3950 Broughton 3951-3956 Greengate 3957-3963 Regent Road 3964-3977
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) LANAGAN Mary 36 Salford 8d 100
The 1874q1 deaths in Salfoord run from p 1 thru p 104, so we might reasonably guess Mary was rego'ed in the last subdistrict, i.e., Regent Road.
If we look more carefully at the deficient even pages in the range1-104, we see:
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) JOHNSON Edwin 1 Salford 8d 26 LEE Richard 65 Salford 8d 26
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) MARSHALL Nanny 9 Salford 8d 36 p64 [blank]
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) PARKINSON Elizabeth 1 Salford 8d 104 SMITH James 39 Salford 8d 104 WATSON Thomas 18 Salford 8d 104
so it's easy to guess the 1974q1 subdistrict page ranges as:
Pendleton 1-26 Broughton 27-36 Greengate 37-64 Regent Road 65-104
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13 Sep 2017 18:20 |
Thank you. Plenty of detail to chew on. One complication is that Lanagan and its variants is a fairly common surname, and Mary/Marie/Maria are also common. What is certain though is the Barrows Court, Greengate address and the birth date of 1830.
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13 Sep 2017 20:59 |
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference RILEY Mary LANAGAN Matthew Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/41/174
Non-conformists (excl jews and quakers) could not be approved to keep official marr rego's until 1898, so a registrar would need to attend a non-conformist marr with his official rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony. The law changed in 1898, but RCs chose not to apply to become approved persons until 1980-ish (a bit earlier in Lancs).
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference 1859q3 LANAGAN Joseph RILEY Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/42/39 1861q3 LANAGAN Thomas RILEY Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/45/12 1863q2 LANAGAN Mary Ann RILEY Saint George Archives+, Manchester Central Library STG/83/68 1865q3 LANAGAN Marcella RILEY Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/53/43 1871q1 LANIGAN Matthias Salford Greengate Salford GRE/103/31 1874q1 LANIGAN Winifred Salford Greengate Salford GRE/113/32 [John was b 7/6/1868, but there was no penalty until 1875 for not rego'ing a birth, and I can't find his civil rego]
LANIGAN, MATTHIAS RILEY Order GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 63
LANIGAN, WINIFRED RILEY Order GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 96
Deaths Mar 1875 (>99%) LANAGAN Winifred 1 Salford 8d 99
Death: 13 Feb 1875 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancs. Winifred Lanagan - Burial: 17 Feb 1875 Age: 1 Abode: Workhouse Sacraments Given: N Buried by: F. Daniel M.C. Register: Liber Defunctorum 1872 - 1875 Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives
Deaths Dec 1862 (>99%) LANAGAN Thomas Manchester 8d 211 [new GRO index gives page as 211 - it's hard to tell from image]
Baptism: 16 Aug 1868 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England Joannes Lannegan - Filius Matthei Lannegan & Mariae (formerly Riley) Born: 7 Jun 1868 Godparents: Birgitta O'Brion Baptised by: P. N. Stephan Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1873, Page 195 Source: Original Register at LRO Preston
Baptism: 23 Aug 1872 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England Matthias Lannigan - filius Matthew Lannigan & Mariae (formerly Riley) Born: 2 Dec 1870 Abode: 6 Bannor Court Godparents: Maria Anna Lannagan Baptised by: Henricus Beswick M. C. Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1877, Page 151 Source: Original Register at LRO Preston
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13 Sep 2017 22:52 |
Your contribution, like the two previous replies I received, is really helpful. I knew John's birth was never registered. Not only that but he went through most of his life believing he had been born in 1870. Winfred's existence is completely new to me, but perhaps helps to explain her mother's death. It's also interesting because John had a daughter called Winifred, who also died in childhood.
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14 Sep 2017 04:28 |
Ian - I think the Latinized form Mariae (with its various case endings) will only appear in RC parish rego's.
You might consider buying the official m.cert: Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%) Lanagan Matthew Manchester 8d 583 Riley Mary Manchester 8d 583
I presume this was an RC marr, not a rego office job. The m.cert would then show which church it took place in, and you could see if their marr rego was available somewhere. Just because they weren't approved to keep an official marr rego, it doesn't follow that they didn't keep their own marr rego - which could show difft details. As an example, this is my wife's gg grandparents marr:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1838 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference MCCANN George ASPINALL Margaret Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/1/50
and this is the church's rego:
Marriage: 23 Jun 1838 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs. [unnamed] McCann - [unnamed] Aspinall - Groom's Parents: Samuelis McCann, civitatis Wigan & Brigittae Bride's Parents: Jacobi Aspinall, [of Wigan] & Mariae Witness: Patricio McArdal, [of Wigan]; Esther Jackson, [of Wigan] Married by: Hen. Segrave Miss. Apos. Notes: [Bride's and groom's names not recorded. Here their surnames are taken from their parents] Register: Marriages 1837 - 1840, Page 40 Source: Original register at LRO
There are really just a couple of cautions with Latinized names. James is Latinized as Jocobi and William is Latinized as Gulielmi (with various case endings). Anglo-Saxon had case endings (as does modern German), but English just has 2 case endings - the 's for the possessive case, and nothing for everything else. Modern pronouns do exhibit cases - I, me, my, mine, myself, etc.
For reference, the sites I used were:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ [The last is also the URL for buying BMD certs from the GRO - a free rego is needed which allows one to search the new index and/or buy certs]
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14 Sep 2017 09:04 |
I am very grateful for your help. Until recently I have been living in Spain and relying on official government sites for information which are only helpful up to a point. Even so I had found out quite a lot about this part of the family, so I know that both St Joseph, Ancoats and St Peter, Greengate were associated' Matthew and Mary lived first in Angel Meadow but then moved up in life and lived in a marginally less notorious slum across the Irwell in Greengate. However, until now I had no knowledge of what happened to Mary, though I strongly suspected she had died, possibly in or after childbirth. So the information you've given me has finally answered those questions. Next project I think will be trying to flesh out Matthew's life before he arrived in England.
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