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OK, thanks Chris, I think I'll leave this for a bit. I'm losing the plot.

Before John William Elliott and his wife, Eilizabeth Alice moved into 26 Holywell Row, there was a Thomas John Elliott and Elizabeth Frances Elliott living there.

I might come back to this tomorrow

(lol AQ, no worries, I can't get my head round things either!, Elizabeth doesn't quite add up on 1939, and haven't found a Birth for John W 1888)

Not sure who Nicola is linking to, with John and Elizabeth...

Chris :)

Mother- Mary Ann Allen, is not with Elizabeth A, and John W Elliott in 1920. They are living 95 Grosvenor Street, Shoreditch & Stepney.

Elizabeth Alice and John William Elliott at 39 Scrutton Street from 1921 to 1933.

Appearing at 26 Holywell Row in 1934

Chris- I need your help.

Earlier in the thread, Nyx posted the 1939 register:

Elliott Household 26 Holywell Row , Shoreditch, London, England

Elizabeth A Elliott 14 Mar 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 123 2
John W Elliott 08 Apr 1888 Male Printers Porter Married 123 1
Sarah Ann Holden (Linley) 22 Oct 1910 Female Paper Seller Married 123 3

And Nicola replied:

"This is great. It must be the same family, Holywell Place is John W Elliott and Elizabeth Allen lived up until 1940. "
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So Elizabeth A Elliott born 14th March 1893-

But Nicola has birth certificate for Elizabeth Alice Allen born 25 April 1892:

"Just found a copy of Elizabeth Alice Allen Birth cert 25th April 1892. Father Charles Allen and Mother Mary Ann Allen formerly Wragg "
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Chris- can you help. Am I looking at two different Elizabeths?. Sorry if this is obvious- I seem to be taking longer lately to get things clearer in my head.

(below is looking like Witness Margaret mentioned by Nicola above, for 1909 Marriage)

1911 (Find My Past)
Daniel Haggerty Head Married Male Labourer Dust Instructor 40 1871 Whitechapel
Margaret Haggerty Wife Married Female Nil 28 1883 St Lukes
12 St Georges House, Whitechapel, London,

(1911 Mary Ann Allen then with John and Elizabeth Elliott, Bethnal Green, as posted earlier, Whitechapel Infirmary, where she worked)

(that bloomin' place, lol)

Chris :)

(looks like him AQ, that Berks. Charles, did Mary and Charles ever Marry, perhaps not!)


(below posted earlier)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(1909 Mary Ann Allen, at 11a St. George's house, George Yard, Whitechapel)


Edits

(wonders if Nicola has Death for Mary Ann Allen, did see below)

Abney Park Burial
Common Grave
Wragg, Mary Ann 27feb1945 79 171161 N09 8S06
9 Shrubland Road, Shoreditch


Deaths Mar 1945 (>99%)
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Wragg Mary A 79 Shoreditch 1c 59

(born 1863 I know, but thought would just add!)

(No, she is same 1939, with husband Benjamin)



Deaths Jun 1964 (>99%)
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ELLIOTT ELIZABETH A 72 BETHNAL GREEN 5C 139

(if this is Elizabeth, her burial below, by looks of it)

Burial Register summary

Elliott Elizabeth Alice
Burial date 11 April 1964
Location Newham

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

Thanks Dea- so blinking annoying!

Interestingly, the Charles on the 1891 posted above by Chris is listed as single- however, I think this is him in 1871 & 1881, married:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sutterton Street, Islington, London, England
Charles Allen Head - Male 30 1841 House Painter, Berkshire,
Catherine Allen Wife - Female 27 1844 - Middlesex,
Catherine Allen Niece - Female 4 1867 - Berkshire, England
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
53, Frampton Park Road, Hackney, London, England

John Allen Head Married Male 82 1799 Carpenter Clerkenwell, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Allen Wife Married Female 78 1803 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex,
Charles Allen Son Head Married Male 41 1840 Painter House Berkshire, (Clewer)
Catherine Allen Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Pimlico, Middlesex,
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This Charles married Catherine Jefferey in 1868 Islington (occupation given as House Decorator on marriage certificate). Doesn't look like they had any children.

It certainly looks like 'Janie' to me Austin, although, if you look at all the other writing on the page the first letter does not match any of the 'J''s - the closest match seems to be to a couple of 'S's???

Dea x

(one below)

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
Charles Allen Lodger Single Male 47 1844 House Painter Berkshire (Clewer) England
Rising Hill Street, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London,

I think it's the correct Charles though- living at the same address as where Elizabeth was born, correct occupation too. So it would seem he was much older than Mary Ann. I thought the wife could be Janie?

(lol AQ, you'll wish you never ventured I think!, looks like Fannie on that image, don't think any of this is plain sailing!)

Chris :)

(in a nutshell can't find Marriage for Charles and Mary Ann Ragg (later Wragg)

(then where is Mary Ann, and Daughter Elizabeth Alice (born 1892) on 1901?)

(that St. George's House, George Yard, Whitechapel feature, but?)


(and was trying to sort that Birth of John Elliott (son of George above)

(and find Deaths for Samuel (Born Samuel Rendell Ruby 1850) and Elizabeth Rendell)


(not to mention chores in the house here today, lol)

I'm a bit confused by this thread- not sure what I'm looking for!

Sorry if any of this has been posted already:

Charles Allen was on the London Electoral registers 1893- 1897 at 9 St George's House, George Yard.

Charles died in 1897:

Death Index
First name(s) CHARLES
Last name ALLEN
Gender Male
Birth year 1842
Age 55
Death quarter 1
Death year 1897
District Whitechapel
County London
Volume 1C Page 177
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Charles was admitted to the workhouse infirmary on 17th February 1897 suffering with Bronchitis. His address was given as 9 St George's House. He was listed as a painter. He died in the workhouse on the 26th February 1897.

However, on the workhouse admissions (Ancestry), his wife is not listed as Mary. I can't read what the name is- perhaps someone else can look? Above the name is written 15 Whites Row- but this is for the entry above and nothing to do with Charles.
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So Charles was born c1842. It looks like he'd only been in the area for 6 years.

(well on 1901 seeing him again from 1891 at number 1, then go over page, 11a, a Charles Wood and wife Ellen, notes they were at same 1891, then at 12, Marian Moscow? (age 40, widow) and daughter Elizabeth (9) but birthplace for Marian, Bermondsey)

1901 (Find My Past)
James Clamp Head Married Male 71 1830 Watchman Suffolk, England
Clara Clamp Wife Married Female 55 1846 - Colchester, Essex, England
St Georges House, 1, Whitechapel, London,

(oh the grief, lol)

Chris :)

(Monday chores to do, will be thinking!)

Edits

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(1909 Mary Ann Allen, at 11a St. George's house, George Yard, Whitechapel)

(Rendells still at 1, Holywell Place 1920)

(at 26, Holywell Row 1920, that Thomas Elliott, Elizabeth Frances, and William John Elliott, posted earlier)

(at 26, Holywell Row 1935 John William Elliott, Elizabeth Alice, Thomas John)


1911 (Find My Past)
Thomas John Elliott Head Married Male Carman 53 1858 London Whitechapel
Elizabeth Frances Elliott Wife Married Female - 50 1861 London Marylebone
Hilda Francis Elliott Daughter Single Female Printers Ruler 15 1896 London Spitalfields
William John Elliott Son - Male School 13 1898 London Spitalfields
1 Elder Court Spitalfields E, Spitalfields, London
Census reference RG14 PN1467 RG78 PN51 RD18 SD1 ED15 SN207
(says Married 25yrs, 8 children born, 5 living, 3 dead)


1891 (Find My Past)
Thomas John Elliott Head Married Male 33 1858 Carman London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Francis Elliott Wife Married Female 30 1861 - London, Middlesex, England
Francis Thos Elliott Son Single Male 18 1873 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Sophia Elliott Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Wm Elliott Son Single Male 4 1887 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Philip Elliott Son Single Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Holborn Boarder Single Female 18 1873 Bag Maker London, Middlesex, England
St Georges House, (10) George Yard, Whitechapel, London

(Baptisms, London, Ancestry, John William, son of above, born January 12 1898)

Birth
ELLIOTT, WILLIAM JOHN (HARBRIDGE)
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 289


(your John?)

1901 (Find My Past)
George Elliott Head Married Male 31 1870 News Vendor Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Emily Elliott Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Deptford, Kent, England
John Elliott Son Single Male 12 1889 - Shadwell, Middlesex, England
Sara Elliott Daughter - Female 10 1891 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Alice Elliott Daughter - Female 7 1894 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Phoebe Elliott Daughter - Female 7 1894 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
6, Dorset Street, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, London

Birth
ELLIOTT, PHOEBE ELIZABETH (LOVE)
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 772

(can see a Baptism for her, but Parents Marriage 1898 Spitalfields, and a witness on that image, Walter Henry Wragg)

Edits (other Elliott Baptisms, Sarah Emma 1890, Alice Lavinia 1893 (same as Phoebe) George Herbert 1898, Emily 1900, William James 1903)


1891 (Find My Past)
Susan Wohlman Head Married Female 56 1835 - Lincolnshire, England
Fred Wohlman Son Single Male 24 1867 Silver Smith London, Middlesex, England
John Wohlman Son Single Male 22 1869 Bras Turner London, Middlesex, England
George Elliott Visitor Married Male 23 1868 Costermonger London (Spitalfields)Middlesex, England
Emily Elliott Visitor Married Female 22 1869 Box Maker London (Deptford) Middlesex, England
John Elliott Visitor - Male 2 1889 - London (St. Luke) Middlesex, England
Sarah Elliott Visitor - Female 0 1891 - London (St. Luke) Middlesex, England
Macclesfield Street, St Luke, Holborn, London


1911 (Find My Past)
Emily Elliott Wife Married Female - 41 1870 London Deptford
Alice Elliott Daughter Single Female Cigarette Cacher 17 1894 London St Lukes
Phoebe Elliott Daughter Single Female Silk Tusel Maker 17 1894 London St Lukes
Emily Elliott Daughter Single Female School 10 1901 London Spitalfield
William Elliott Son Single Male School 7 1904 London Spitalfield
Janeth Elliott Daughter - Female - 1 1910 London Stepney
103 Ernest St Mile End E, Mile End Old Town, London

(for Jane on above)

Birth
ELLIOTT, JANE MATILDA (LOVE)
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 358


Deaths Dec 1906 (>99%)
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WOHLMAN Susan 71 Shoreditch 1c 54

This is great. It must be the same family, Holywell Place is John W Elliott and Elizabeth Allen lived up until 1940.
Need to answer some questions before I look at this info in detail.
John W Elliott and Elizabeth Allen marriage in register office on 7th June 1909, Whitechapel, the "rites & ceremonies* bit has been crossed out.
Witnesses were Margaret Hagarty?? and Mary A Allen. Bride was 18 and address for both was 11a St Georges House, Whitechapel. Father of John is George Elliott, newspaper vendor, these names fit with the names in notes 1901 record for Samuel and Eliz Rendell. I can't see at connection with the Elliotts at 10 St georges House yet but there must be. Thanks again

(throws in below)

Chris :)

Birth
RAGG, MARY ANN (HARBUTTLE)
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 628


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Ragg
Gender Female
Birth year 1863
Baptism year 1866
Baptism date 14 Oct 1866
Place Deptford
County Kent
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Ragg
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

(above on Ancestry, London, born 28 June 1863. father occ. Shipwright)

(also, same time, Elizabeth born 19 June 1866)


(possible below)

Marriages Dec 1850
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HARBOTELE Elizabeth Sunderland 24 328
Ragg John Sunderland 24 328


30 November 1850 - Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury - Newcastle

Marriage
At Bishopwearmouth, On the 25th inst. Mr John Ragg to Miss Elizabeth Harbottle.


1851 (Find My Past)
Elizabeth Ragg Head Married Female 23 1828 Ship Wrights Wife Sunderland, Durham, England
38, South Durham Street, Sunderland, Durham


1861 (Find My Past)
John Ragg Head Married Male 36 1825 Shipwrights Darsham (Durham on image) England
Elizabeth Ragg Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Darsham (Durham)
George Ragg Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar (Durham)
Victualling Office Row Victoria Road, St Pauls, Greenwich, London


Birth
RAGG, GEORGE HARBOTTLE (HARBOTTLE)
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 382


1871 (Find My Past)
John Ragg Head (Widower) Male 46 1825 - Durham, England (Carpenter)
Mary Ann Ragg Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Kent, England
Elizabeth Ragg Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Kent, England
Elizabeth Salmon Servant - Female 25 1846 - Yorkshire, England
Cold Harbour, All Saints Poplar, Poplar, London, England


Birth
RAGG, ELIZABETH ANN (HARBOTTLE)
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 564

Death
RAGG, ELIZABETH ANN 0
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 404

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church name St Paul
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1189
Baptism date 24 Nov 1861
Birth date 24 Oct 1861
Person forename Elizabeth Ann
Person sex F
Person abode 7 Victoria Road
Father forename John
Father surname RAGG
Father occupation Shipwright
Mother forename Elizth

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Deaths Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Ragg Elizabeth 43 Poplar 1c 491


1881 (Find My Past)
Edward Roscoe Head Married Male 49 1832 Labourer Tonbridge, Kent, England
Amy Roscoe Wife Married Female 54 1827 - Deptford, Kent, England
James Roscoe Son Married Male 27 1854 Labourer Deptford, Kent, England
Alfred Roscoe Son Single Male 23 1858 Labourer Deptford, Kent, England
Mary Wragg Niece Single Female 17 1864 Assists In House Deptford, Kent, England
House number 31
Street Friendly Street
Parish St Paul Deptford
County London, Kent
Registration district Greenwich
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 712
Folio 35
Page 9


Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Blackman Mary Ann St. Olave 1d 489
Ragg George Harbottle St. Olave 1d 489

(on Ancestry, London, his Father John (deceased) Carpenter)


Deaths Dec 1879 (>99%)
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Ragg John 50 Poplar 1c 534


Edits (if that Elizabeth, sister of Mary Anne Baptism above. Below, Ancestry, London, her Father, John (deceased) Ships Carpenter)

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Rendell Samuel Whitechapel 1c 544
Wragg Elizabeth Whitechapel 1c 544

(30, Brushfield Street, her Residence at time, notes John Elliott and Father George in Spitalfields 1901)

(below was a Witness, other was Selina Agness)

Birth
AGNESS, ALICE SELINA (CLARK)
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 517

(another Elliott!)

1911 (Find My Past)
George Elliott Head Married Male Cab Driver 56 1855 Essex
Selina Elliott Wife Married Female - 64 1847 Suffolk
Alice Selina Agnes Stepdaughter Single Female Servant 33 1878 Stepney
60 Rutland St Stepney E, Mile End Old Town, London,


1911 has Samuel and Elizabeth Rendell, 4, Holywell Place, Holywell Lane, Shoreditch!...(says Married 10yrs, no children)

Samuel Rendell Head Married Male Taylor 61 1850 Abbotskerswell Devon
Elizabeth Rendell Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Deptford Kent


1891 (Find My Past)
Elizabeth Wragg Servant Single Female 24 1867 Housemaid Domestic Servant Kent (Deptford) England
Burnt Ash Hill, Lee, Lewisham, London


(he is complicated also, lol)

1851 (Find My Past)
George Ruby Head Married Male 60 1791 Ag Lab Not Known
Sarah Ruby Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Dean Prior, Devon, England
Samuel Rendell Ruby Son - Male 1 1850 - Abbotskerswell, Devon, England
Village, Abbotskerswell, Newton Abbot, Devon


(bloomin' sure there is something in all this, but on the Allen front?)...

Charles may not have been deceased in 1909!!!!

Were they married by Banns or by License?

She was underage (born 1892, marrying 1909), would have needed father's permission ........... and to say father was deceased was an easy way out!!!


Alternatively, of course, sometimes the father has left the family, child doesn't know where he is and says he is deceased rather than admit that ......... or mother has told her so.

So you have the 1909 Marriage Cert., any clue from Witnesses, what about Address?...

(have you worked back with John, did wonder if the Elliotts at number 10 on 1891 related somewhere!)

Chris :)

Doing a search on FMP Census, for Charles (keyword painter) saw below, probably not, but noticed Deptford for Mary, as 1911.


1891 (Find My Past)

Charles Allen Head Married Male 30 1861 Painter Kent (Greenwich)England
Mary Allen Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Kent (Deptford) England
Charles Allen Son - Male 11 1880 - Kent, England
Millie Allen Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Kent, England
Annie Allen Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Kent, England
Lilly Allen Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Kent, England
Harry Allen Son - Male 5 1886 - Kent, England
Street King Street
Town Blackheath
Parish Lewisham
County London, Kent
Registration district Lewisham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 517
Folio 94
Page 15

Edits (No, above on 1901, would be below)

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
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ALLEN Charles John Greenwich 1d 1055
MURPHY Mary Theresa Greenwich 1d 1055


(another, in fact quite a few!, and Deaths also)

1891 (Find My Past)
John N Shelfer Head Married Male 30 1861 Warehouse Man London, Middlesex, England
Johanna Shelfer Wife Married Female 31 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
Johanna E Shelfer Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
William J Shelfer Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Charles Allen Brother In Law Single Male 23 1868 Painter London, Middlesex, England
Street The Grove
Parish Hackney
City South Hackney
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Hackney
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 200
Folio 127
Page 29


Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Allen Johanna Bethnal Green 1c 741
Shelfer John William Bethnal Green 1c 741


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

1895/8 Charles still at 9 St. George...

Thanks for all your help it. Father Charles Allen's occ is Painter and Decorator on daughter Elizabeth birth cert in 1892 and he was deceased in 1909 on Elizabeth's marriage cert. Ruling out the Charles and Mary Allen at Bucks Row and Walthamstow as my Mary Allen was living with John W Elliott and daughter Elizabeth in 1911.
Starting again with only the 1911 census, birth cert for Elizabeth in 1892 to go on.
Why can't I find a marriage for Charles Allen and Mary Wragg? and nothing in 1901?

Nicola ...............

the 1939 Register was only updated until 1991 by the NHS

Then nothing was done until after FMP got the rights to transcription and charging for right to look.


Since then, FMP is apparently slowly updating by opening records by comparing the Register against GRO ...... but they depend largely on members and subscribers buying the death certificate and sending it with notification to FMP.

so ............. if anyone wants a closed record opening quickly (or semi-quickly) they have to buy the death certificate and send it to FMP


Otherwise one has to wait until FMP gets around doing the check.



Thus the reason why my uncle's record (plus his whole family of wife and 6 kids) is still closed even though he was born in 1895 ..... he, aunt and 3 daughters all died in Australia, 2 daughters still alive down under, son died in UK ca 1990s. I'm not about to buy the death certificates, and seemingly none of the son's children left in the UK seem interested in doing so either!

Below goes with that 1890 Marriage you found...

Chris :)

Birth
ALLEN, MARY ANN ELIZABETH MABEL (NEWTON)
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 560


All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Mary Ann Elizabeth Mabel Allen
11 Sep 1892 (Born May 15 1892) Mile End Old Town St Peter Tower Hamlets
Charles Frederick Guy Allen (occ. Brewers Servant)
Mary Ann Jane Allen


All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

9 Nov 1890 St Thomas, Stepney
Charles Frederick Guy Allen (age 24, Bachelor, Brewers Servant, Father, Charles Allen (Deceased) occ. Butcher)
Mary Ann Jane Newton (age 22 Spinster, Father, Henry David Newton occ. Mathematical Instrument Maker)
(Witnesses, Henry David Newton, Jessie Kirk)


1891 (Find My Past)
Herbert Allen Son Single Male 22 1869 Printer General London, Middlesex, England
Percy Allen Son Single Male 18 1873 Printer Apprentice London, Middlesex, England
Charles Allen Visitor Married Male 34 1857 Brewer Servant London, Middlesex, England
Mary A Allen Visitor Married Female 23 1868 - London, Middlesex, England
Street Bucks Row
Parish Whitechapel
City Whitechapel Church
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Whitechapel
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 279
Folio 81
Page 14


1881 (Find My Past)
Charles Allen Head Married Male 48 1833 Butcher Epping, Essex, England
Elizabeth Allen Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Kate Allen Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Assts Mother At Home Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Alice May Allen Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Book Seller Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Charles Fredk Guy Allen Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Herbert Wm Allen Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Percy John Allen Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
House number 18
Street Bucks Row
Parish Whitechapel
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Whitechapel
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 442
Folio 74
Page 6


1901 (Find My Past)
Charles Allen Head Married Male 34 1867 Brewers Servant London, England
Mary Ann Allen Wife Married Female 33 1868 - London, England
Mary Ann Allen Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - London, England
Charles Allen Son Single Male 6 1895 - London, England
Violet Allen Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - London, England
Daisy Allen Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - London, England
Town Walthamstow
Parish Walthamstow
County London, Essex
Municipal ward St James Street
Registration district West Ham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1623
Folio 29
Page 2

(Births, 1896 Violet Lily, 1898 Daisy Amy. Mother Maiden Name, Newton)


Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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ALLEN Charles Frederick G 41 W.Ham 4a 213


1911 (Find My Past)
Mary Ann J Allen Head Widow Female Charwoman 42 1869 Stepney London
Mary A M Allen Daughter Single Female Corset Work 18 1893 Mild End London
Charles H D Allen Son Single Male Comb Work 16 1895 Mild End London
Violet L Allen Daughter - Female Printer 14 1897 Mild End London
Daisy A Allen Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Mild End London
Address 55 Swinnerton Street South East Hackney London N E
Parish St John At Hackney
County London, Middlesex
Census reference RG14 PN1168 RG78 PN38 RD11 SD5 ED29 SN279

?

Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Allen Mary A E M 48 Hackney 1b 456

(her Burial, Abney Park)

Allen, Mary Ann Elizabeth Mabel 24 jul1940 48y 166132 H02 8S04
36 Powell House, Clapton


(you had below, what was occupation of Father Charles?)

Birth
ALLEN, ELIZABETH ALICE (WRAGG)
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 329

(and just happens that address you have from Cert. comes up on google)

http://www.census1891.com/viewhouse.php?sid=216&did=4629

RG12/280, Page 142, 9, St. Georges House, George Yard, Whitechapel,
James Clamp H M 62 M Seaman Ed Suffolk, Nution
Ann Clamp W M 62 F London, Whitechapel


(and notes next door (10) look to be below)

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Elliott Thomas John St Saviour Southwark 1d 17
HARBRIDGE Elizabeth Frances St. Saviour 1d 17

(above on Ancestry, London, his Father, Thomas George Elliott, occ. Confectioner)

(they have below)

Birth
ELLIOTT, ELIZABETH SOPHIA (HARBRIDGE)
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 728



(below earlier 'Thread')

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362127?d=desc

Choccy Report 9 Oct 2016 09:13

1939 Register


Elliott Household (3 People)

26 Holywell Row , Shoreditch, London, England


John W Elliott 08 Apr 1888 Male Printers Porter Married 123 1
Elizabeth A Elliott 14 Mar 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 123 2
Sarah Ann Holden (Linley) 22 Oct 1910 Female Paper Seller Married 123 3

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(Holywell Row is at the end of Scrutton Street)

Sarah Ann Elliott married John J Linley in 1933


Birth
ELLIOTT, SARAH ANN (ALLEN)
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 183


Edits (you need that 1909 Marriage Cert. posted earlier)

Just found a copy of Elizabeth Alice Allen Birth cert 25th April 1892. Father Charles Allen and Mother Mary Ann Allen formerly Wragg ? Living at 9 St Georges House, Whitechapel. I can't find a marriage for Charles Allen and Mary Ann Wragg?