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I don't know anything about this lady but she has a surname that may mean she is related but maybe not

I know where she is buried and I have just ordered the death certificate to check the informant and address

I would have expected her to be on the 1871 census but I just can't find her. Hartin is spelt in a number of ways *ton *ten *tan etc.........

Name: Ellen Hartin

Estimated birth year: abt 1809

Registration Year: 1877

Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec

Age at Death: 68

Registration district:Sheffield

Volume:9c
Page:252

Help please

:-S

Yes, can see where you are coming from Gins, mystery woman?...

Chris :)

(references)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1210501?page=1

HARTIN, ELLEN (buried St Patrick's section, age 68yr).
Died at HOLLIS CROFT; Buried on November 25, 1877 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 48, Section EA of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: .
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 5327


FLANAGAN, SUSAN (buried St Patrick's section, age 2yr).
Died at HOLLIS CROFT; Buried on May 6, 1877 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 84, Section C of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: .
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 5171
Find Similar in Same Grave Same Household if Available Surname Match if Available


FLANAGAN, SUSAN (buried St Patrick's section, age 50yr).
Died at UNION; Buried on March 18, 1891 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 36, Section BA of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: .
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 8749

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/


Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Susanna
Last name Harten
Marriage date 16 Aug 1861
Parish Urney
Alternative parish names Annagelliffe, Annegelliffe, Cavan, Urney and Annagelliffe
Diocese Kilmore
Spouse's first name(s) Johannes
Spouse's last name Flanagan

(no idea on details given on Irish Records, but no Parents?)

(another, Urney)

First name(s) Ellenoram
Last name Harten
Marriage year 1840
Marriage date 05 Jul 1840
Parish Urney
Alternative parish names Annagelliffe, Annegelliffe, Cavan, Urney and Annagelliffe
Diocese Kilmore
Spouse's first name(s) Michalim
Spouse's last name Fitzpatrick

Not seeing her in 1871, do you think she was visiting from Ireland Gins?

edit looks likely as Chris has added the ref to Susan in same place :-)

Ellen Hartin
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name
Ellen Hartin
Event Type
Marriage
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year
1861
Registration District
Radford
County
Nottinghamshire
Event Place
Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Volume
7B
Page
253
Line Number
31
 
Ellen Hartin probably married one of the following people
Name
Ellen Harton
Name
Job Hazeldine
Name
Ann Jeffries
Name
John Sims

Thanks. I should have been more specific and asked for the 1871 census - sorry

She could have been visiting but the death certificate might tell me more info when that arrives next week

Fingers crossed!

(just couldn't find her 1871...fingers crossed!)...

Chris :)

I got the death cert today!

Ellen Hartin, widow of Edward Hartin
Death: 6 Court Hollis Croft, Sheffield
Age 68
Informant J Riley, son in law (I know who this is) of 98 Hollis Croft, Sheffield

Any help with finding either Edward or Ellen would be great

Thank you

Gins, if you know who J Riley son in law is can you say who he married and when, just for location :-)

?

Harten Edward 1800 1872 1872 Irish Deaths 1864 - 1958 Cavan, Ireland

In 1881, Elizabeth and Catherine Charlton are at 98 Hollis Croft.
No 6 is uninhabited.

Looking for 1871 . . .


Hmmm -

the census isn't easy to follow in 1871 re Hollis Croft.

However, it's no help re J Riley - at 98 are Philip & Mary O'Brien.
I can't find no 6, unfortunately - though maybe it's not in the expected sequence.

1871 30,White Croft Sheffield
James Riley labourer born @ 1838 Cavan Ireland
Mary 1838 Roscommon Ireland

A tree on ancestry say this is Mary Hartin 1838-1911 and James Riley 1838-1881 married @ 1862 Ireland.says she had half sister Susanna born Roscommon 1841-1891 Sheffield.


Edward Harten born 1800 died 1872 in Cavan Ireland

Maryb.

Thanks for the help

The daughters of Ellen were Susan 1841c & Mary 1839c born Cavan. Mary married James Riley and Susan married John Flanagan (I've got everything on these except a defo baptisim)

Those deaths for Edward Hartin look promising, thank you. If he died in 1872 that would make sense. Maybe Ellen came to England to be with her family and that's why the 1871 census is not showing for her?

Mary, that tree is my cousins but not sure how accurate the birth info is?

Edward Harten
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Edward Harten
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Date of Registration: 1872
Death Age: 72
Registration district: Cavan
Volume: 18
Page: 70
FHL Film Number: 101586

I think I need to send for that death certificate AG

I've checked rootsireland and the 1872 is not showing :-(

Ive just checked the Irish GRO and it looks like I can't order a death certificate before 1921????

Is that right?

Looking at this site it would appear you can order but the records prior to 1924 are not available online. There is a link to follow to order.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

1.If you would like to request a photocopy of the Birth/Marriage/Civil Partnership/Death entry (for genealogy and research purposes),

A photocopy of an entry in any register can be purchased from the General Register Office by downloading the form here and submitting it by fax or post as outlined on the form, or
The General Register Office also operates a research facility at Werburgh Street, Dublin 2 where members of the public may search the indexes to the registers held by General Register Office and purchase photocopies of entries in the registers. See Research page.

2.Options to purchase an official certificate

A certificate can be purchased online on the official Civil Registration Service website at www.certificates.ie
(Death records before 1924 and marriage records before 1903 are not currently available online), or
A certificate of an entry in any register, regardless of the year involved, can be purchased from the General Register Office by fax or post by completing the relevant application form which can be downloaded at Apply for Certificates. Click here for link to Apply for Certificates page.

Name EDWARD HARTEN
Year of Death 1872
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Cavan
Deceased Age at Death 72
Returns Year 1872
Returns Quarter 4
Returns Volume No 18
Returns Page No 70

Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.

Thank you very much, I thought I was going nuts as I have a couple of certs that I bought years ago!

Drat, I was in Dublin a few weeks ago!

:-)