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POVEY, ESTHER SARAH ANN MMN BIRKS
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 484

POVEY, ROSE HANNAH MMN BIRKS
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 301

Hi Prickly holly that's the wrong one ie right family but according to the census 8 months old but I have this Rose Hannah's death cert 1908 x

1911 census I mean x

Esther Sarah Ann Povey 1911 was born after April 1911 census x

I am confused!

I will check back on here tomorrow.

Prickles. ;o))

Me tooo but that Rose Hannah 1908 definately died as I have the cert with her fathers name on ( Charles Povey) my direct line - thank you !!!

Using http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/ (I've appended quarter of rego)
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906q4
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
POVEY Charles BIRKS Sarah A Edensor, St Paul Stoke-On-Trent 8/06/181

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
1907q1 POVEY Charles BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/120/091
1908q1 POVEY Rose Hannah BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/123/058
1909q4 POVEY Margaret BIRKS Fenton Stoke-On-Trent FEN/077/030
1911q4 POVEY Esther Sarah Ann BIRKS Fenton Stoke-On-Trent FEN/080/087
1913q1 POVEY Ralph BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/135/097
1914q2 POVEY Edward BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/139/048
1916q4 POVEY William Henry BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/144/064
1919q1 POVEY William BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/148/008
1921q1 POVEY Rosetta BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/152/070
1922q4 POVEY Phyllis BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/01A/100
1924q1 POVEY Harold BIRKS Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/04A/067


Staffordshire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1908q3 POVEY Rose Hannah 0 Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/78/067
1912q1 POVEY Esther Sarah Ann 0 Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/83/011
1917q1 POVEY William Henry 0 Fenton Stoke-On-Trent FEN/46/065
1917q2 POVEY Edward 3 Longton Stoke-On-Trent LGN/89/056


Here's a lookup of deaths of kids less than 2 y.o. using the new GRO index, which then gives age in months

POVEY, ROSE HANNAH 8 Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 153

POVEY, ESTHER SARAH ANN 3 Order
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 345

POVEY, WILLIAM HENRY 7 Order
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 320

I can see the Rose Hannah 1908 who died aged 8 months 1908 ( I have the cert) but just don't get why there is another one named Rose Hannah on the census 1911 aged 8 months but yet can not find any birth record - just odd !!!

Think I'm just going to have to leave this one because who knows why a family would state a dead child from 1908 on the 1911census, I ve just done a wide search of //// Rose Povey between 1908-1911 and there's only 4 in the whole country showing up
and one is the 1908 Rose Hannah but nothing for a 1910/11 one as the census 1911 seems to indicate is living with this house hold.

Just out of interest how was the census taken ie did the census attendant have to physically see every one in the house or did the head of the house just tell them who was there???

Just to say that I have seem several census's on 1911 where the person has entered details of deceased children(most helpful to us when researching), but I seem to think that the number of those deceased was also entered in the column for children who have died ?

There was nothing in that column on your entry but that could have been a mistake. We have to remember that many people at that time were not very well educated and often misunderstood the instructions on there.

I do note, however, that Sarah Jane + William have entered a number in the column for their dead child.

Dea x

I have seen 1911 census where the father listed all the children born even though some had passed away

Obviously a miss understanding in filling the form in

The enumerator must have queried the entries because the deceased ones are struck through but still able to be read

I ve just come across something that says the 1911 census also give details of how many children born to that specific marriage if this is correct where should I be looking.

I see Rose Hannah's birth was registered in the January quarter.

Death registered in the July quarter.

Rose Hannah Povey in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Rose Hannah Povey
Gender: Female
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1908
Burial Date: 1 Oct 1908
Burial Place: Edensor, Stafford, England
FHL Film Number: 1470945
Reference ID: p123 n980

Depending on exactly when she was born (January?)........it's my guess that she was added on the 1911 census as 8 months..........where in fact she was 8 months old when she died.

Why would they add a dead child to the census tho yes she was 8 months when she died because that what the death cert says.

Ok right I'm getting a clearer pic now so because you had to say how many children were from that marriage including ones that died then Rose Hannah was put down mistakenly as living not as just a noted death.

As she had died, she should not have actually been named on the record.

Obviously, when checking the form, the enumerator didn't pick up on it.

Oooh ok so it's human error x

Yes, the forms were often a little confused so you can put away those thoughts of Charles + Sarah having their little bodies 'mummified' and keeping them at home, moving them around the house from chair to chair and then tucking them into bed each night with a good-night kiss. ;-) :-0 :-D

Dea x

Lol Dea wasn't wuite thinking that :-D bi thought some of the same names thing between the two sister in laws and the deceased children was v odd . X