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(yes, could have done, Ship left Oct. 1880)

Chris :)

19 February 1880 - North Devon Journal - Barnstaple, Devon, England

Death
Rammell - Jan. 9, at Ilfracombe, Fanny, widow of the late Gibon Bushell Rammell, Esq., of Crediton, Devon, and formerly of the Isle of Thanet, Kent, aged 65.


http://gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=295360&scrwidth=1300

(on above as Pammell!)

Hi Chris

He was born 1848 Kentish Town.

I thought afterwards that maybe he returned to the UK as his mother Fanny Rammell died in 1880 and then he went back.

G

(would be below, thought perhaps Margate was more the one, given connections!)

Did you find a Birth year for him?

Chris :)

Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James
Last name Rammell
Age 32
Birth year 1849
Arrival year 1881
Arrival month Jan
Ship name Sobraon
State Victoria


Edits (Baptism on Ancestry, London, (1867) gives Birthdate May 26 1848)

Birth
RAMMELL, JAMES (COLLARD)
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 305

Hi Chris,

Thanks for that. I am a bit confused though as I had found that he sailed to Victoria in 1881 on board Sobraon. He must have gone and come back again. I disn't have his occupation as sugar Refiner. That's sounds better that labourer as he was described later on in 1903/4!

Thanks again

Gillian

(looks to be his Departure below)

Chris :)

Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James
Last name Rammell
Age 23
Birth year 1855
Nationality Foreigners
Departure port Gravesend
Arrival year 1878
Arrival month May
Arrival port Melbourne
Ship name Northumberland
State Victoria


Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 (Ancestry)

(mistranscribed as Louis Rammell)

(on image, Profession, Occupation of Passengers, says Sugar Refiner)


Edits (items coming up on google, relating to Victoria Sugar Company, if that's where he was heading, workwise!)

Hi All

Thanks very much for the info.

I don't know if the fare dodger or the one who had an accident with the bike was my James! I have little info about him since he emigrated to Australia in circa 1881.

Hi is the son of Gibon Bushell Rammell. That is the correct marriage of James' father to Fanny Collard.I have more info about the Rammell family in England but not Australia.

thanks again
Gillian

Is this relevant?

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Wed 20 Jun 1906

REFUSED TO PAY HIS FARE.
James Rammell, 52, a hawker, was, at the Water
Police Court yesterday, fined 10s, or 48 hours in--
prisonment, for refusing to pay a tramway fare of
one penny. Evidence was given to the effect that
Rammell journeyed in the car from Erskine-street
to William-street, and when asked for his fare said "I
refuse to pay on principle."

The case was reported in other papers & might explain why he refused to pay

Southern Star (Bega, NSW : 1900 - 1923)
Wed 18 Jul 1906
A Sydney socialist, James Ram
mell, refused to pay a penny tram
fare on principle, as he had a citizen
share in the trams. His prinoiple
cost him 10s, or 48 hours.

Windsor and Richmond Gazette (NSW : 1888 - 1954)
Sat 7 Jul 1906
A Sydney Socialist;, James Rammell, was
fined 10/ or 48 hours lockup foe refusing to
pay a penny tram fare. Whan asked for
his fare he said ' I refuse to pay on prin
ciple — I have a citizen's share in the trams.

Also in The Shoalhaven Telegraph (NSW : 1881 - 1937)
Wed 11 Jul 1906
.......

There's a long article about a James Rammell who was knocked down by a bicycle
https://tinyurl.com/yc2gargs

As a follow-up to the accident

James Rammel,- who sustained con
cussion of the brain through being
knocked down by a cyclist in Nowra
on 20th April, last, week developed,
symptoms of insanity and was re
moved to the reception house, Darl
inghurst.
South Coast Times & Woolongong Argos 25 May 1907

All articles can be viewed for free on
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/

Is he the Son of Gibon Bushell Rammell? (looking at things gibon google search)

Chris :)

http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/PRTranscripts/Thanet-MonktonMar1813-83.html

RAMMELL Gibon Bushell COLLARD Fanny 7-Mar 1838 groom: of full age, bachelor, yeoman, Margate, son of Gibon RAMMELL, yeoman; and bride: of full age, spinster, of this parish, daughter of Henry COLLARD, yeoman. Wit: Henry COLLARD, Emma COLLARD, Thos W RAMMELL, Elizabeth Barber RAMMELL

James
Last name Rammell
Birth year -
Death year 1914
Registration year 1914
Age at death -
Registration district Drummoyne
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Gibson B
Mother's first name(s) -
Registration number 9912
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Australasia
Findmypast

Hi Andrew

Thanks very much.

G

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980


Name: James Rammell
Electoral Year: 1903-1904
State: New South Wales
District: Pyrmont
Country: Australia
Occupation: Labourer

Andy

Australia and New Zealand, Find A Grave Index

Name: James Rammell
Birth Date: 1853
Death Date: Sep 1914
Cemetery: Field of Mars Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: East Ryde, Ryde City, New South Wales, Australia
Has Bio?: N

Andy

Ancestry version

Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985


Name: James Rammell
Death Date: 1914
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Gibson B
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Place: Drummoyne, New South Wales
Registration Number: 9912

Dear All,

Could someone please lookup this death record. I don't have access to Australian records:

James Rammell d1914 Drummoyne NSW Australia.

Thanks very much in advance

Gillian