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14 Oct 2019 17:00 |
You might be able to order a death certificate from the GRO. You will have to register but it's free to do so. Then follow the "place an order" section and then ? use the Archive reference ARR2 when they ask for the GRO reference - or ring and check 0300 123 1837
https://www.gro.gov.uk
Gro War Death Army Other Ranks (1939 To 1948)
Source Gro War Death Army Other Ranks (1939 To 1948) Archive reference ARR2 Volume 16 War Second World War, 1939-1945 Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials First name(s) Arthur Sex Male Last name Oldham Death year 1945 Birth year - Service number 4860807 Rank Lance Corporal Unit or regiment Royal Signals Type Armed Forces Page 252 Registration year - Branch of service - Decoration - Records year range 1945 Line number 42 Archive General Register Office Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Collections from Great Britain, UK None
No idea what it might say bearing in mind the number of deaths at the time - may say nothing more for example than 'died of wounds' but you never know
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14 Oct 2019 15:42 |
Thanks so much. You've been such a big help :-)
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22 Sep 2019 21:08 |
24/03/1945 was the start date of Operation Varsity, part of the Rhineland Offensive.
https://liberationroute.com/the-netherlands/stories/t/the-rhineland-offensive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Varsity
"Royal Signals were involved in most of the WW2 campaigns with a significant presence in France and Belgium 1940, Norway 1940, Western Desert 1940-1942, Tunisia 1942-1943, Italy 1944, 1945, 21st Army Group, North West Europe 1944-1945." https://www.royalsignalsmuseum.co.uk/corps-history/ "
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22 Sep 2019 20:22 |
Hi, would anybody know how my Grandad died.. Arthur Oldham died 24.03.45. Just wondering because he is buried in Venray and it was so close to the end of the war ?
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Pebbles13
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14 Aug 2017 12:52 |
Thank you everyone for your kind contributions in helping me to find out more about my granddad. I have been on GR a while but this is the first time I have made a thread and you all have been more than helpful. THANKS AGAIN :-)
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AustinQ
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13 Aug 2017 16:44 |
Hilda's marriage:
name(s) Hilda Oldham Age 21 Birth year 1909 Residence 44 Dunton Street Father's name(s) Daniel Oldham Marriage date 22 Mar 1930 Spouse's name(s) Harold Lock Spouse's age 22 Spouse's residence 28 Bassett Street Spouse's father's name(s) William Lock Denomination Anglican Place Leicester, St Leonard's County Leicestershire --------------------------
1939 Lock Household 44 Dunton Street , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England
Harold Lock 09 Feb 1908 Male Pounder Up Shoe Operator Married Hilda Lock 07 Aug 1908 Female Paid Daily Domestic Married ---------------------------------
Phyllis marriage:
name(s) Phyllis Oldham Age 21 Birth year 1905 Residence Northumberland ST Father's name(s) Daniel Oldham Marriage year 1926 Marriage date 24 Jul 1926 Spouse's name(s) Thomas Herbert Glover Spouse's age 25 Spouse's residence 13 Albion St Anstey Spouse's father's name(s) Thomas Muad Glover Denomination Anglican Place Leicester, St Margaret's County Leicestershire --------------------------------
1939 Glover Household 13 Albion Street , Barrow-upon-Soar R.D., Leicestershire, England
Thomas H Glover 22 Sep 1901 Male Shoe Hand Sole Attached Married Phyllis Glover 30 Nov 1904 Female Hosiery Machinist Married Sorry, this record is officially closed. Robert E Glover 25 Feb 1929 Male At School Single
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13 Aug 2017 15:58 |
An entry in the newspaper confirms his sisters were Hilda and Phyllis:-
Leicester Daily Mercury - Monday 20 March 1950
OLDHAM. Arthur (L/Cpl) Proud and beautiful memories of mydear husband and daddy of Rita. killed in action March 24 1945 Never forgotten —from loving Wife Rena
OLDHAM Arthur. —In memory our son and brother killed March 24 1945. Goodnight. daddy -Rita from loving Mother Phyllls and Hilda ---------------------------------------------
- so Daniel and Louisa appear to be the correct parents.
Siblings:
OLDHAM, PHYLLIS (mother's maiden name: JOHNSON) GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 166
OLDHAM, HILDA (mother's maiden name: JOHNSON) GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 221
OLDHAM, HARRY (mother's maiden name: JOHNSON) GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 224
(Harry died 2 months old)
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ArgyllGran
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13 Aug 2017 15:02 |
And there could have been stillbirths or miscarriages during that time.
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Maddie
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13 Aug 2017 13:28 |
the thing that i find strange is that Daniels last daughter on the census was born in 1908 and then there is a 9 year gap when Arthur was born, mum would have been about 47. Not impossible though
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13 Aug 2017 12:18 |
Photo of Arthur's grave can be found here
https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/2687650
You can order a copy for £4, or £6 if you want a 'glossy' posted to you. Although normally they are pretty quick, the entry is marked as 'Revist Required', presumably to obtain a clearer image.
Similarly, a photo of James Oldham's grave is here.
https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3069916
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PricklyHolly
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13 Aug 2017 11:21 |
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Louisa Oldham on the 1939 Register
Oldham Household (2 People) 61 Pool Road , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England
Louisa Oldham 08 Dec 1879 Unpaid Domestic Duties Widow Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Louisa Oldham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Louisa Oldham Death Age: 75 Birth Date: abt 1879 Registration Date: Dec 1954 Registration district: Leicester Inferred County: Leicestershire Volume: 3a Page: 582
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12 Aug 2017 23:01 |
OLDHAM, HILDA JOHNSON GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 221
OLDHAM, PHYLLIS JOHNSON GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 166
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Chris Ho :)
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12 Aug 2017 21:06 |
For Address on 1904 Marriage posted above.
Chris :)
28 April 1900 - Leicester Chronicle - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
COUNTY POLICE COURT. summoned for frequenting Willow-street, for the purpose of betting, on the 10th, 11th, and 12th of April. James Oldham (23), shoehand, Burley's lane, was also summoned for a like offence in the Western-road on the same dates. Defendants were fined £5 each, or a month's hard labour.
28 March 1896 - Leicester Chronicle - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
COUNTY PUBLIC OFFICE ...labourers, were charged with a similar offence in Grove-street on the 16th inst., and were each fined 10s., or seven days. Daniel Oldham (16), 57, Burley's-lane, clicker, were also charged with gaming with copper pence in Burley's Lane on the 15th inst.
1901 (Find My Past) James Oldham Head Married Male 49 1852 Trimmer Of Hosiery Leicester, Leicestershire, England Harriett Oldham Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England Charlotte Oldham Daughter Single Female 26 1875 Mender Of Hosiery Leicester, Leicestershire, England James Oldham Son Single Male 24 1877 Boot Finisher Leicester, Leicestershire, England Daniel Oldham Son Single Male 22 1879 Boot Clicker Leicester, Leicestershire, England Joseph Oldham Son Single Male 20 1881 Trimmer Of Hosiery Leicester, Leicestershire, England Street Burleys Lane (57) Parish Leicester County Leicestershire Municipal ward St Margaret's Registration district Leicester Archive reference RG13 Piece number 2988 Folio 6 Page 5
01 March 1902 - Leicester Chronicle - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Death Oldham - On February 24th, at 57, Burley's Lane, Harriet, wife of James Oldham, aged 47 years.
(below relating to above perhaps)
OLDHAM Private JAMES 18733 11th Bn. Leicestershire Regiment. Died of wounds 27th March 1918. Age 41. Son of James and Harriet Oldham of Leicester; husband of Mary Ellen Oldham of 4 Hull St. Archdeacon Lane Leicester. T. U. 1460. LEICESTER (WELFORD ROAD) CEMETERY Leicestershire
http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/page36.htm
http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/royal-corps-of-signals-war-grave-photos-for-reference.31239/page-7
(Arthur, Grave photo)
https://www.paradata.org.uk/people/arthur-oldham
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Maddie
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12 Aug 2017 19:22 |
full version Daniel Last name Oldham Age 25 Birth year 1879 Residence 57 Burley's Lane Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Oldham Marriage year 1904 Marriage date 02 Apr 1904 Spouse's first name(s) Louisa Spouse's last name Johnson Spouse's age 24 Spouse's residence 5 Clara Terrace, Northumberland St Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Johnson Denomination Anglican Place Leicester, St Margaret's County Leicestershire Country England Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland Archive reference DE4736/4 Record set Leicestershire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from England, Great Britain
1911 Name: Daniel Oldham Age in 1911: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Leicester Search Photos: Search for 'Leicester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: 4 Elon Terrace Berkley St Leicester Marital Status: Married Occupation: Boot Maker Registration district: Leicester Registration District Number: 407 Sub-registration district: North West Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 19168 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Oldham 32 Louisa Oldham 31 Phyllis Oldham 6 Hilda Oldham 2
Oldham Daniel 1880 1931 1931 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Leicester, Leicestershire,
to be sure you need to buy his birth certificate.
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malyon
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12 Aug 2017 19:01 |
Marriages Jun 1904 Johnson Louisa Leicester 7a 457 Oldham Daniel Leicester 7a 457
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2017 19:01 |
Venray War Cemetery:
Country: Netherlands Locality: Limburg (Netherlands) Identified Casualties: 662 GPS CO-Ordinates:
Longitude: 5.95541 Latitude: 51.52906
Location Information
The town of Venray lies in the south of the Netherlands approx 40kms to the east of Eindhoven.
From the A73 Nijmegen to Venlo motorway take exit 9 (Afrit 9) N270 VENRAY / HELMOND and follow the signs for HELMOND. Continue for approx 3kms to a roundabout and turn right (CWGC sign) onto the LANGSTRAAT. Continue for approx 800m and turn left (CWGC sign) onto the WESTSINGEL. Continue for approx 1km and turn left (CWGC sign) onto the HOENDERSTRAAT. The cemetery can be found after approx 700m on the right.
The cemetery address is:- Hoenderstraat 5801 Venray Netherlands
GPS Location is:- N 51 31 45 E 05 57 20
Visiting Information
Wheelchair access to this cemetery possible via main entrance. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on 01628 507200.
Historical Information
The Netherlands fell to the Germans in May 1940 and was not re-entered by Allied forces until September 1944.
The town of Venray was liberated by Allied troops in the middle of October 1944, and the burials in the cemetery date from October 1944 to March 1945.
Venray War Cemetery contains 692 Commonwealth burials of the Second World War, 30 of them unidentified, and one Polish burial.
https://tinyurl.com/yazgfvjz
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Maddie
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12 Aug 2017 18:59 |
Arthur Last name Oldham Service number 4860807 Rank J Lance-Corporal Regiment Royal Corps Of Signals Birth place Leicester Residence Leicester Death year 1945 Death day 24 Death month 3 Theatre of war Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45 Record set Army Roll Of Honour 1939-1945 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Second World War Collections from Great Britain, UK None
??? FRANK Last name OLDHAM Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1917 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ FRANK OLDHAM married Mildred E Johnson Spouse's last name Johnson District Leicester District number - County Leicestershire Country England Volume 7A Page 523
1901 34, Glen Street, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Joseph Oldham Head Married Male 35 1866 Foreman Clicker Shoe Trade Leicester, Leicestershire, England Transcription Elizabeth A Oldham Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Loughborough, Leicestershire, England Transcription Bertie F Oldham Son Single Male 10 1891 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England Transcription Frank Oldham Son Single Male 5 1896 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
1911 63 Coral Street Leicester, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Elizabeth Johnson Head Widow Male - 35 1876 Warwickshire Birmingham Transcription Mildred Emily Johnson Daughter - Female Hosiery Linker 14 1897 Leicester Leicestershire Transcription Gladys Foster Boarder Single Female Milliner 23 1888 Clacton on Sea Essex Transcription Harry Fletcher Boarder Single Male Engineer's Toolmaker 23 1888 Stafford Staff
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2017 18:59 |
If that's him above, then this is where he's buried:
ARTHUR OLDHAM
Rank: Lance Corporal Service No: 4860807 Date of Death: 24/03/1945 Age: 27 Regiment/Service: Royal Corps of Signals 1 Airborne Corps Sigs. Grave Reference: VIII. E. 4. Cemetery: VENRAY WAR CEMETERY
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2017 18:57 |
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Arthur Oldham in the UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 Name: Arthur Oldham Given Initials: A Rank: Lance Corporal Death Date: 24 Mar 1945 Number: 4860807 Birth Place: Leicester Residence: Leicester Branch at Enlistment: Royal Corps of Signals Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45 Regiment at Death: Royal Corps of Signals Branch at Death: Royal Corps of Signals
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ArgyllGran
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12 Aug 2017 18:55 |
His parents' marriage:
Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%) Johnson Louisa Leicester 7a 457 Oldham Daniel Leicester 7a 457
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