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sister Catherine on the 1881 census may be this one ( trying to work around to see if anything shows up for the boys)

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)

Knowles John Birkenhead 8a 767 Scan available -
MACDONALD Catherine Birkenhead 8a 767

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grange Road, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England


John Knowles Head Married Male 29 1862 Fruit Dealer Cheshire, England Transcription
Catherine Knowles Wife Married Female 32 1859 Fruit Dealer - born Scotland
Gertrude Knowles Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Cheshire, England

KNOWLES, GERTRUDE MACDONALD Order
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 493

A slight possibility ??? YOB out


George McDonald
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George McDonald
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Steward
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Princes Dock Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: Magic
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3413
Folio: 204
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
George McDonald 25

It doesn't help any but this indicates why Charles Frank and Edith were living in Todmorden 1911, it's where Ediths family came from.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Wellington Terrace, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England


Charles Dawson Head Married Male 57 1844 House Carpenter & Joiner Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Dawson Wife Married Female 58 1843 - Heptonstall, Yorkshire, England
Mary H Dawson Daughter Single Female 25 1876 Dressmakers Sewing Machinist Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Harold Dawson Son Single Male 23 1878 House Carpenter & Joiner Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Edith Dawson Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Typist Oldham, Lancashire, England

British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records 1912-1939 Transcription
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First name(s) Charles Frank
Last name MacDonald
Birth year 1878
Birth date 03 Apr 1878
Birth parish Everton
Birth town Liverpool
Birth county Lancashire
Occupation Club Steward
Attestation year 1917
Attestation date 16 Apr 1917
Service number 228372
Spouse's first name(s) Edith
Archive reference AIR 79/2055
Next of kin first name(s) Edith
Next of kin last name MacDonald
Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, England

Add: Edith is given as person to be informed if casualty, address given as Hoylake Conservative club Hoylake, Cheshire

British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924 Transcription
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First name(s) Charles Frank
Last name MacDonald
Service number F28372
Birth year 1878
Birth date 03 Apr 1878
Birth place Liverpool
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/616/28372
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records

Trying to find George F in 1901 but not doing so as yet,

just for ref Charles Frank in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Dobroyd Place Todmorden, Todmorden, Yorkshire, England


Charles Frank MacDonald Head Married Male Groom Domestic 32 1879 Liverpool Lancs
Edith MacDonald Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Oldham Lancs
Charles Frederick MacDonald Son - Male - 6 1905 Birkenhead Cheshire
Edith Muriel MacDonald Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Todmorden Lancs

Sorry, Peter, I don't see Geo F arriving in USA, nor in later censuses.

There are loads of George and/or Frederick Mc/Macdonalds in the USA records, but none quite matching the details of that Geo F who left Liverpool in 1909.

Hi Nyx.
Your latest post is definitely the correct family.
Frederick Macdonald's full name is George Frederick Ernest Macdonald born in Liverpool on 10 Sept. 1879.
Thanking you once more for your help.

Peter.

Hi Argyllgran.
The George F Macdonald that you have found could be the correct one.
William Percy's step brother's full name was George Frederick Ernest Macdonald born 10 Sept. 1879. ( I have their birth certificates ).
Could you find any more details on the George F in your post for me please.
Thank you again for help.
Peter.

One of the possibilities, but with no way to prove if it's him or not:

Geo F Mardonald
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Geo F Mardonald
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1879
Departure Date: 20 Apr 1909
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Boston, USA
Ship Name: Ivernia
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 110643
Master: H M Senion

Occupation: Janitor

Also if this was def them on 1891, he may have used second name as first

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Old Barn Road, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Elizabeth McDonald Wife Married Female 23 1868 - Lancashire, England
Charles F McDonald Stepson Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Lancashire, England
Frederick McDonald Stepson Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Lancashire, England
William McDonald Son Single Male 1 1890 - Lancashire, England

Not that I'm find that either !

I'm not seeing him, Peter.

Will keep digging!

The trouble is, unless his middle initials are quoted, there's no way to pick him out from all the other George M*Donalds.

Nyx / ArgyllGran.
Have found your info. very helpfull.
I wonder if William Percy's stepbrother George Macdonald, born 1880 in Liverpool also went to the U.S.A. with his family.
Could you investigate this for me please, I don't have access to relevent sites.
Perhaps the family left America before the 1910 Census.!
Thanks.
Peter.

No, Nyx, I can't see any of them anywhere after the 1901 voyage - apart from that 1938 stamp you gave the link for.

Thank you both for your info. which is most helpful.
I now have to " get my head around it all ".
Thanks again.
Peter.

Argyll Gran, can't see them on US census, have you had any luck?

image for index card is stamped for immigration & naturalization 1937-1938?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TH-4SF2-8?i=4110&cc=1921483

Yes, Nyx, I think you're right re Duquesne Heights, and also Allegheny.

I can't see a definite travel record for Charles - but then there are lots of Charles M*Donalds travelling to and fro.
Same goes for Elizabeth.

met by mother at the Allegheny? which is the river

I think the address is Oneida Street?, and the following words seem perhaps a version of Duquesne Heights which is in Pittsburgh

That record says he was going to join his "father Mr McDonald". I can't make out the address for his father.

In the column re whether the immigrant had any money in his possession, and if so how much, it says "No. Father will meet him on arrival at ship"
Or the last word might be " Phil" (Philadelphia.)

Four other columns, re criminal record if any, health problems, etc, are overwritten with "Met by mother [another ??] at the [something]"