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Re asking Perth registry - no harm in trying!

5 High Street, Perth, PH1 5JS
Office hours 8.45-17.00 (by appointment)
Telephone 01738 475121
Fax 01738 444133
Email
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HOWEVER -

as James 1843's birth, and John & Mary G's marriage (if any - perhaps they weren't married) took place prior to 1855, perhaps they just weren't recorded in the parish register.
Also, because it would have been before civil registration, I suspect the Registry Office won't be able to help.
You might have to try the National Records of Scotland, which holds all the old parish registers.

They won't do research for you - you'd have to go to Edinburgh yourself, or hire a researcher, or maybe find a willing volunteer - possibly an Edinburgh-based helper on here might be able to do it.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/researching-online

Hello all you helpful people. Hopefully now you can see why I'm a bit confused by it all. My Mums side was so easy but the Connans have not been as well documented.

What you have written alviegal is all correct about the children as far as I know, thank you.

ArgyllGran, as you've said I thought if was Gourdie but no records of her elsewhere! So still a mystery really. Maybe John Connan 1818 did remarry?? Do you think the registry at Perth would help me?

Thank you all for your help

Chrissie

Trying to make sense of all this for myself:

The only John Connan we can see born c1818 is the one who married Janet Murray in 1848.

James c1843 (who married Janet Anderson) , is the son of a John Connon, and as we can only find one John , we assume James 1843 is your John's son by a previous marriage.


I can't see an earlier marriage for John to a Gourdie. The record of his marriage to Janet Murray is a very basic OPR, and doesn't say if he was a widower or not.

I can't see the death of a Mary Gourdie or Connan between 1843 and 1848 in Perthshire. Nor the birth of a Mary Gourdie (or similar) in Perthshire in any reasonable time-frame.
Can't see a Mary Gourdie anywhere in Scotland in 1841.

Can't see John 1818 in the 1841 census.
Can't see James 1843 in the 1851 census.

So no clues re James 1843's mother.

This is James Connon and Janet Anderson in 1881:

Janet Conning
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Conning
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Conning
Gender: Female
Where born: Colace, Perth
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Kinnoull
County: Perthshire
Address: 13 East Bridge St
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 19
LINE: 2
Roll: cssct1881_110
Household Members:
Name Age
James Conning 37 - Eastchurch, Perth
Janet Conning 36 - Collace
Catherine Conning 17 - Collace
Jessie Conning 15
David Conning 13
John Conning 11
Margaret Conning 9
Mary Conning 7
James Conning 4
Isabella Conning 1

I had a look at James & Jessie / Janet Anderson's marriage cert, (1863 in Collace, Perthshire) and I think his mother's ms is Gourdie (deceased).

I don't see the marriage of his parents, however.

James was 20 when he married, therefore born c 1843.
But I don't see a birth around that time in Perthshire.
And none elsewhere with mother's name Mary [Anything].

In Perthshire, the nearest is John & Janet (Murray)'s son in 1851.


There's this James in 1861:

James Connon
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: James Connon
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastchurch Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 393
Registration district: St Martins
Civil Parish: St Martins
County: Perthshire
Address: Boghall Bothy
Occupation: Ploughman
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 35
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_52
Household Members:
Name Age
Willim Howie 36
Janet Munro 40
James Connon 19
Robert Lee 12

Right all the children of James and Mary McGregor.


CONAN
JAMES
JAMES CONAN/MARY MCGREGOR
29/04/1827
Monzie


CONNAN
HUGH
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR FR296 (FR296)
11/06/1831
Monzie


CONNAN
CHRISTIAN
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
03/05/1829
Monzie


CONNAN
MARGARET GRAHAM
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
21/11/1819
Monzie


CONNAN
PETER
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
01/06/1823
Monzie


CONNAN
HELEN
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
15/06/1825
Monzie


CONNAN
JOHN
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
04/01/1818
Monzie


CONNAN
WILLIAM
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR FR297 (FR297)
06/02/1836
Monzie


CONNAN
ANNE
JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR
28/07/1833
Monzie


CONNON
THOMAS
JAMES CONNON/MARY MCGREGOR
06/05/1838
Monzie

Thanks everyone for helping me. I'll tell you what i have to go on.

I have a marriage certificate for James Connan marrying Janet (Jessie) Anderson and his parents show John Connan and Mary (looks like Gourdie or Goudlay)?

This John Connans father is James Maxton Connan and Mary Mcgregor his mother. This is as alviegal has stated.

Then John Connan is the father of James Maxton Connan and mother Margaret McComish.

The monument stated in Chris Ho's message I don't think is my relative.

I suppose the shame is that on the marriage certificate of James and Jessie,the mother's name is not clear reading Gourdie or Goudlay.

Too many James' Johns' and Marys'!

Chrissie

James and Mary.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Culldyagahey, Fowlis Wester, Cultoquhey, Perthshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Connan Head Married Male 62 1789 Labourer Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
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Mary Connan Wife Married Female 54 1797 - Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland
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Christian Connan Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1831 Labourer Daur Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
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Thomas Connan Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland


James' baptism. His mother is with the family in 1841.



Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
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First name(s) James Maxton
Last name Connan
Gender Male
Birth year 1789
Birth place -
Baptism year 1789
Baptism date 10 May 1789
Baptism place MONZIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Connan
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name McComish
Place Monzie
County Perthshire


and possibly a brother who died.


First name(s) James
Last name Connan
Gender Male
Birth year 1788
Birth place -
Baptism year 1788
Baptism date 01 Jun 1788
Baptism place MONZIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Connan
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name MacOmish
Place Monzie

Chris that is the same family that I posted the 1851 census for. Jessie (Janet) Connon has her mother, Janet Murray staying with them.

Chrissie109 who did YOUR John marry and what family did they have please?

From scotlandspeople. Marriage

COUNAN

JOHN

JANET MURRAY/


30/07/1848

357/

40 41

Fowlis Wester


These are the only 2 baptisms showing for that time period.


CONNAN

JOHN

JOHN CONNAN/JANET MURRAY

0

11/07/1852

382/

20 42

Monzie

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CONNAN

JOHN

JAMES CONNAN/MARY MCGREGOR

0

04/01/1818

382/

10 140

Monzie

No idea on below...(Monzie)

Chris :)

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemeterylist.php?cemetery=1401&limit=1&scrwidth=

Connan John Connan first name on this monument 1818 1892 74
Janet Murray wife of John Connan 1817 1890 73


Edits (probably below)

1871 (Find My Past)
John Cannon Head Married Male 53 1818 Shoe Maker Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
Janet Cannon Wife Married Female 55 1816 - Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland
Peter Cannon Son Unmarried Male 15 1856 Drapers Apprentice Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
Fowlis Wester, Perthshire,
Country Scotland


1891 (Find My Past)
John Connan Head Widower Male 73 1818 Shoemaker Perthshire, Scotland
Street Perth Road
Parish Fowlis Wester
County Perthshire

I have tried wills and newspapers but they didn't help. My line is
John Connan
christening:4 January 1818
MONZIE, PERTH, SCOTLAND
father:James Connan
mother:Mary Mcgregor

Margaret Graham Connan
christening:21 November 1819
MONZIE, PERTH, SCOTLAND
father:James Connan
mother:Mary Mcgregor

The John Connan married to Jessie is not my line as shown in alviegal's thread but the Hugh Connan the Shoemaker is in our family, slightly confused there. The 1841 Census is my family. I won't give up and thank you all for your help.

Chrissie

Brother Hugh in 1841 with his parents.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barony of Cultoguhey, Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
James Connan Male 50 1791 Perthshire, Scotland
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Mary Connan Female 43 1798 Perthshire, Scotland
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Helen Connan Female 13 1828 Perthshire, Scotland
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Hugh Connan Male 9 1832 Perthshire, Scotland
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William Connan Male 5 1836 Perthshire, Scotland
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Thomas Connan Male 3 1838 Perthshire, Scotland
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Margaret McOmsh Female 83 1758 Perthshire, Scotland



Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
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First name(s) Hugh
Last name Connan
Gender Male
Birth year 1831
Birth place Monzie,Perth,Scotland
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Connan
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name McGregor
Place Monzie

Perhaps if you gave us names and more information about who you're looking for, we could help you.

This is the only one I can see.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gilmerton, Fowlis Wester, Gilmerton Village, Perthshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Connon Head Married Male 33 1818 Shoemaker Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
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Jessie Connon Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Monzie, Perthshire, Scotland
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Janet Murray Mother-In-Law Widow Female 70 1781 Formely Lab's Wife Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland
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Hugh Connon Brother Unmarried Male 18 1833 Shoemaker Fowlis Wester, Perthshire, Scotland


EDIT I have added the next census records to this thread.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fowlis Wester, Fowlis Wester Parish, Perthshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Connan Head Married Male 43 1818 Shoe Maker Master Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland
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Janet Connan Wife Married Female 44 1817 Shoemaker's Wife Monzie, Perthshire, Scotland
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James Connan Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland
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John Connan Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland
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Daniel Connan Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland
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Peter Connan Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland
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Janet Murray Mother-In-Law Widow Female 81 1780 Farmer's W Fowlis, Perthshire, Scotland

John Connan

Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening:
4 January 1818
MONZIE, PERTH, SCOTLAND
father:
James Connan
mother:
Mary Mcgregor

Margaret Graham Connan

Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening:
21 November 1819
MONZIE, PERTH, SCOTLAND
father:
James Connan
mother:
Mary Mcgregor

Not specifically with Perth or Connans, but its certainly happened elsewhere. You get to the point where you just throw up your hands and admit defeat!

Have you tried newspapers for announcements, or Wills?

I have had so much difficulty with the Connans from Perth. They all seem to be James or Johns who married Mary's. There are 2 John Connans born 1818 so difficult to know which is in my family.
Anyone having the same troubles??