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AustinQ

AustinQ Report 15 Aug 2017 11:44

The address on the announcements I see is 41 (you'd previously put 14) Leslie Street.

SPEARS.— KiIIed while on duty a result of a motor accident 27th July 1953 at Checkerell. Weymouth. Harry Lauriston Spears 9 Clyde Ave.. Kirkcaldy, beloved husband of Robina Grieve Barclay and second eldest son of Mr and Mrs Joseph Spears 41 Leslie Street Kirkcaldy. Deeply mourned. Friends desiring to attend funeral please meet cortege at Windmill Road Gate. Dysart Cemetery, to-day. Ist August, 1.35 pm.

SPEARS At 41 Leslie Street, Kirkcaldy on February 16th 1954 in his 76th year, Joseph Spears, beloved husband of Henrietta Stewart.
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There is a photo of Henrietta (I think) in the following paper:

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian - Saturday 28 May 1955

KIRKCALDY FAMILY’S FOUR GENERATIONS
Four generations of well-known local family are picture above. They are Mrs H S. Ramsey, of 41 Leslie Street, Kirkcaldy, who is holding her eight weeks old great-granddaughter. Miss Mary Ness; Mrs N. L. Laird, grandmother, and Mrs R. N. Ness, mother, both of 56 Cleish Gardens, are left and right respectively

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Aug 2017 10:44

There is something really odd about this woman

I'm planning a trip to the GRO this week and I will look at both of Henrietta's other marriages and her death cert to check for parentage provided on these

I cannot locate a previous marriage for Joseph Spears but I know his children were born in the Kirkcaldy area the 1920's.
I will look at the births to see who their mother was.

His 2nd son, named Harry was killed in a road accident in 1953.
The death announcement gives his parents as" Mr & Mrs" Joseph Spears but, the address matches with Joseph's own death announcement the following year.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Aug 2017 09:42

On the valuation rolls 1915:

THOMAS STEWART

Inhabitant Occupier

HOUSE 176 DENBEATH BUCKHAVEN METHIL AND INNER LEVEN POLICE BURGH

WEMYSS

1915

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Aug 2017 09:40

Sorry, Glasgowlass- I should have included details:

1911 census
259 Denbeath

Alexander Bissett Head widr 36 Colliery engine keeper Fife Largo
Margaret Bissett Daughter 13 School Edinburgh, Edinburgh
Catherine Bissett daughter 12 School Fife? Scoo?
John Bissett son 10 School Fife
Henrittie Stewart serv 20 Edinburgh Edinburgh

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 12 Aug 2017 17:51

Thanks Austin,
Did you obtain the 1911 census?
I am assuming that she was boarding or in service, living with a family of another name because I could not see anyone else named Stewart listed on the same index.

I obtained the 1911 marriage last week to satisfy my own curiosity
There is no mother listed for 21yr old Henrietta, only her father, named as David Stewart, General Labour who is not noted to be deceased.
( i have seen plenty statutory docs that fail to name a father but, no mother is a 1st for me)

Henrietta & William Phillips gave the same address:
176 Denbeath, Wemyss
Marriage took place on 27 Oct 1911 at West High Street, Methil
Witnesses: William and Margaret McAdam

I too wondered where her Northumberland birth info came from which is why I asked Pauline about the 1911 census in Buckhaven.

If she was born in Edinburgh....
These are the only 2 possibles for a child born in Midlothian between 1889 & 1892
STEWART
MARY HENRIETTA
F
1890
692/1 257
Leith North

STEWART
HENRIETTA
F
1892
685/3 177
Canongate ..... I would guess at this one!

( 3 others were born in Glasgow/ Aberdeen /Dundee)

EDIT:
Henrietta's occupation at time of marriage was: Flax Mill Worker.
Does that concur with 1911 census in Buckhaven?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Aug 2017 10:16

Harriet or Henrietta- you keep swapping?

The Henritte Stewart in Buckhaven on the 1911 census age 20 was born in Edinburgh.

What was her address on the marriage certificate in 1911?

Who were the witnesses?

How do you know she was born Northumberland?

Pauline

Pauline Report 11 Aug 2017 14:19

Only ad a marriage cert that said her dad was David when she married Philips but Harriett always told us has kids her dad was at sea

Pauline

Pauline Report 11 Aug 2017 14:17

Only ad a marriage cert that said her dad was David when she married Philips

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Aug 2017 20:35

If you don't have a birth certificate for Henrietta or are unable to trace her before 1911, I can't see how you could positively identify her father, especially when there was no mother's name listed on her 1911 marriage cert

There is no evidence of his approx age, or place of birth.
Neither men named David Stewart found on this thread look plausible

One seems to have died in infancy and the other was a merchant seaman rather than a general labourer as listed on Henrietta's marriage

Pauline

Pauline Report 10 Aug 2017 18:24

Thank you Glasgow lass

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Aug 2017 17:20

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian 20 February 1954

Joseph Spears died on 16 Feb 1954 at :14 Leslie Street Kirkcaldy
He was 75 yrs old, and beloved husband of Henrietta Stewart.

However, on the 1st anniversary of his death, there were 4 In Memorium notices which all came from his children and grandchildren.
There was one from a son named Fred.
One each from daughters named Molly and Emma
the fourth refers to Joseph as a father and grandfather which came from:
Jenny, Andrew, Drew and Stewart


We have no idea how long Henrietta's marriage to William Phillips lasted.
All we know is that they divorced in 1950 and Henrietta married Joseph Spears in that same year.
Joseph died in 1954 and Henrietta must have married David Ramsay within weeks/months.

This is bizarre.
I wonder if this article relates to both of Henrietta's future husbands . LOL

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian ****20 July 1935****

David Ramsay was a 63 yr old labourer of Bridgeton, Kirkcaldy
Joseph Spears of Kirkcaldy was having a drink in a local pub
David Ramsay, walked into the pub and without provocation, punched Joseph Spears twice in the face.

In Court, Ramsay admitted the assault.
Sentence was deferred for a year if David Ramsay promised to lay off alcohol in this period.
Later that year, David Ramsay was in court again.
He sold a Motorbike but neither he or the purchaser bothered to inform Fife Council that the vehicle had changed hands.
Both parties were fine £20

If it's the same man, he must have been about 80yrs old when he married Henrietta

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Aug 2017 01:03

To know that her marriage took place in Scotland would have been helpful.


I can see from a search of SP that appears to be on the 1911 census in Buckhaven.( Henritta Stewart age 20yrs)
I can't see anyone else named Stewart on this index 459/2/5/5
Is it this census that states she was born in Northumberland?

I assume she is the woman who died in Edinburgh in 1982 aged 91yrs ?


3 names only on the death index:
Stewart/Spears/ Ramsay and no Phillips mentioned on index.
Whoever registered this death, omitted her 1st husband



STEWART
HENRIETTA
PHILLIPS
WILLIAM
1911
459/2 69
69
Buckhaven

I have looked at this marriage and I have never seen a Scottish marriage cert that names a father only!
Is her mother named on her death cert?


SPEARS
JOSEPH
STEWART
HENRIETTA
1950
442/ 198 ......... Also indexed under Henrietta Phillips
Kirkcaldy

RAMSAY
DAVID
STEWART
HENRIETTA
1954
442/ 264...... Also Indexed under Henrietta Spears and Speirs
Kirkcaldy


Unless she had been living with Joseph Spears for 20-30 yrs before her 1950 marriage, I would very much doubt that she had any children with him because she was about 70yrs old when she married him and 74 yrs old when she married David Ramsay.


Edit:
I can find just one child named Henrietta Stewart born in Northumberland, 2 yrs either side of 1890.
Registration place: Belford
This girl's parents seem to be called Robert And Elizabeth

Pauline

Pauline Report 10 Aug 2017 00:21

Hello
Sorry it was Henrietta she married William Phillips in 1911 Fife...her dad was David General Labourer

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 9 Aug 2017 17:55

Pauline,
Was her name Harriet or Henrietta ?

When did she marry William Philips and what was her father's occupation on the certificate?

Pauline

Pauline Report 8 Aug 2017 10:15

Davids daughter Henrietta was married three times
1st WILLIAM PHILIPS
2END SPIERS
3RD RAMSEY
I have the cert for the first one but it she was only divorced in 1950 I was wondering if she was ever married to the other two but they all died before her ...or any children born to Henrietta {Stewart} with second husband !!! SPIERS

Thank you

Pauline

Pauline Report 8 Aug 2017 09:46

THANK YOU SO MUCH

Pauline

Pauline Report 8 Aug 2017 07:36

THANK YOU SO MUCH

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 8 Aug 2017 00:18

OOPS...
I forgot to add something.
The couple named James Stewart and Harriet Smart moved to Kinghorn in Fife where they had at least one more child.
Their daughters, Mary Ann and Ann both died in infancy and deaths are both registered in Cranston

Harriet Stewart/ Smart died in Kinghorn in 1874 but, an 8yr old child named David Stewart also died in Kinghorn in 1869.
David does not appear on the 1871 census with his parents which indicates that this is his death and not the person/ father being sought in the OP

1861: Cranston, Midlothian
James Stewart 31 B Edinburgh
Barret Stewart 31 B Kinghorn
Harriet Stewart 8
Christina Stewart 6
James Stewart 4
Matthew W Stewart 2
**David B Stewart 4 Mo

1871 Kinghorn, Fife
James Stewart 42 B Edinburgh
Harriet Stewart 42 B Kinghorn
James Stewart 14
William Stewart 12
Alexander Stewart 7
Isabella Stewart 7 Mo

Widower, James Stewart remarried Jane Laing in Kinghorn in 1875
1881: Kinghorn
James Stewart 51
Jane Stewart 45
Alexander Stewart 18
Isabella Stewart 11
Jane Stewart 5
Mary Stewart 3

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Aug 2017 23:53

Could it be this man ?


Parents Marriage:
William Stewart
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1831
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1853
Marriage Place: Monk-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father: Hugh Stewart
Spouse: Amelia Curry

Son's birth
David Stewart
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1860
Birth Place: Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Father: William Stewart
Mother: Amelia Currie

On all census record, David has middle initial of B but it does not appear on his birth record


1860; Leith

William Stewart 31 B Dundee
Aurelia Stewart 28 B Sunderland
Elizabeth Stewart 6 Birth and Baptism found in Monk Wearmouth
Margaret Stewart 5 Ditto
Jane P Stewart 3 Born Leith ( Jane Patison Stewart)
David B Stewart 9 Mo born leith
Margaret H Currie 18 Servant

1871: SUNDERLAND
William Steward 40
Amelia Steward 38
Elizabeth Steward 15
Margaret Steward 14
David B Steward 10
Mary A Steward 5 B Sunderland


David matches with Safc's info
He was in the Merchant Navy at 1881 and in the Union Workhouse in Sunderland at both 1901 and 1911

1881"
David Stewart
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Gender: Male
Where born: Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: "Rachel Lotinga"
Employment status:
Occupation: O Seaman
Registration district: Mutford
ED, institution, or vessel: Rachel Lotinga
Page Number: -81881: Sunderland

Parents at 1881: 32 Hedworth Street, Monkwearmouth
William Stewart 51
Amelia Stewart 49
Ralph Stewart 10 Son B Monk Wearmouth ( Ralph Ambleton Stewart)

1891: 13 Albert Street, Bishop Wearmouth
William Stewart 61
Amelia Stewart 59
Ralph Stewart 19

safc

safc Report 7 Aug 2017 23:40

????

from
durhamrecordsonline


Baptisms Durham 1890 Harriett Stewart 1890 Witton Gilbert