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Thanks Tiggit, that all seems to make sense!

I wonder if these are the birth registrations for the 3 Ruddock children recorded in the 1881 census with parents Thomas and Ann as Ann seems to start out as Ann Taylor naming her father as John Cooper):

Harry aged 7:

RUDDOCK, HENRY Mother's maiden name TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in MALTON UNION Volume 09D Page 362


Jim aged 5:

RUDDOCK, JIM Mother's maiden name TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in MALTON UNION Volume 09D Page 373


Margaret aged 2:

RUDDOCK, MARGARET Mother's maiden name TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in MALTON UNION Volume 09D Page 401



Ann TAYLOR married John Race in 1857 with father's name John Cooper


First name(s) Ann
Last name Taylor
Age 19
Birth year 1838
Residence Bulmer
Marriage year 1857
Marriage date 16 May 1857
Marriage place Bulmer
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Race
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence Bulmer
Father's first name(s) John <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's last name Cooper <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's father's first name(s) Andrew
Spouse's father's last name Race
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference PR BUL/10
Page 56
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain

Ann and John Race in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Amotherby, Malton, Yorkshire, England


John Race Head - Male 45 1826 - Yorkshire, England

Ann Race Wife - Female 33 1838 - Yorkshire, England

Annie Elizabeth Race Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Yorkshire, England

Andrew Race Son - Male 7 1864 - Yorkshire, England

Mary Race Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Yorkshire, England

George Race Son - Male 4 1867 - Yorkshire, England

Eliza Race Daughter -Female 1 1870 - Yorkshire, England<<<<<<< This Eliza Race (aged 11) is recorded in 1881 census with the Ruddock family



Death for John Race:

Deaths Sep 1871
Race John 45 Malton 9d 234


Then Ann marries Thomas Ruddock as Ann Race, father John Cooper in 1873

Amazing, thank you all so much! I forgot about the 1939 register, that was going to be my next step. Wondered what that Bahshaw was about!

Lots for me to review there, thank you all again :-) x

Possible death for 1st wife??

Deaths Jun 1871
Ruddock Mary Ann 37 Malton 9d 327

Wonder if Thomas Ruddock married twice??

Possible 2nd marriage:


First name(s) Thomas
Last name Ruddock
Age 41
Birth year 1832
Residence Amotherby
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 24 Jul 1873
Marriage place Amotherby
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Race
Spouse's age 36
Spouse's residence Amotherby
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Ruddock
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Cooper
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference PR AM/1
Page 82
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain

If this is the same Thomas Ruddock that married Mary Spencer in 1853, on that marriage record he doesn't name a father but on this one his father is recorded as John Ruddock. It could be that he used the name of his grandfather to hide the fact that he was illegitimate (possibly being the son of Ann Ruddock).

Jane Ann Bateson baptised 25/2/1870 Pocklington by William Blyth Bateson and Julia Ann nee Skinn.
William Blyth Bateson son of Marmaduke Bateson 1818-1870 and Ruth Johnson.
They also had son Septimus 1856.

Don't know if we have got the correct Frank Cooper 1903 with brother Septimus 1907,but it seems likely that the above Septimus Bateson is who Septimus Cooper was named after.


EDIT
I see you have Septimus Cooper 1907 in your tree and a lady called Amanda has Septimus Cooper 1907 and Septimus Bateson 1856 in her tree!

Maryb.

Possibly Thomas in the 1851 census:
Abode: John Street Barnsley

Thomas Ruddock, Lodger, single born c1827 Malton (spelt Marton) occ: Rail Lab

1st Marriage:


First name(s) Thomas
Last name Ruddock
Age 22
Birth year 1831
Residence New Malton
Marriage year 1853
Marriage date 29 Jan 1853
Marriage place New Malton, St Michael
Spouse's first name(s) Marianne
Spouse's last name Spencer
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's residence New Malton
Father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Spencer
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England



Possibly recorded as Thomas Riddick in the 1861 census, Hannah his daughter, is recorded as aged 15 but original image says 5 as the number 7 in the aged of 27 for wife Mary hangs down and looks like a 1 in front of the 5.

1861 census:

https://tinyurl.com/yawwfrya




This looks like Thomas Ruddock in 1871 census:


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castlegate Cundales Yard, St Leonard, Malton, Yorkshire, England

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Thomas Ruddock Head - Male 40 1831 - Yorkshire, England

Mary A Ruddock Wife - Female 37 1834 - Ireland

Fanny Ruddock Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Yorkshire, England

Fanny's birth reg:??

RUDDOCK, FANNY mother's maiden name SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in SCARBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 318

appears to be only 2 anns baptised around 1810
Yorkshire, Bishop's Transcripts Of Baptisms
First name(s) Ann
Last name Ruddock
Baptism year 1806
Birth year 1806
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Baptism place New Malton, St Leonard
Mother's first name(s) Isabella
Father's first name(s) Jno
Birth date 24 Sep 1806
Baptism date 24 Sep 1806

1841
Wells Lane, St Michael, Malton, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Ann Ruddock Female 35 1806 Yorkshire, England
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John Ruddock Male 9 1832 Yorkshire, England
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Frances Ruddock Female 13 1828 Yorkshire, England
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John Ruddock Male 75 1766 Yorkshire, England

Ann
Last name Ruddock
Age 42
Birth year 1806
Death year 1848
Burial year 1848
Burial date 21 Jan 1848
Burial place New Malton, St Leonard
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England

Ann
Last name Ruddock
Birth year 1815
Birth date 16 Mar 1815
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 16 Mar 1815
Baptism place New Malton, St Leonard
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England

Ann
Last name Ruddock
Age 26
Birth year 1815
Death year 1841
Burial year 1841
Burial date 18 Apr 1841
Burial place New Malton, St Leonard
County Yorkshire (North Riding)

the ann 1806 appears to have a husband john going by thomas's baptism

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England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
13 June 1804
SAINT LEONARD, NEW MALTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Ruddock
mother:
Jane

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Bateson Jane Ann Pocklington 9d 119
Cooper Joseph Pocklington 9d 119

She married Frank Cooper in Beverley 1927 you have Frank Cooper 1903 Beverley is this him.
Frank Cooper D Qtr 1903 Beverley V09d P 97 mum nee Bateson.

That maybe where your aunt got Bateman from.

1911 England Springs Beverley
Married 19 years 9 children
Joseph COSPER 1872 Platelayer
Jane Ann wife 1870 Pocklington
Frank 1907
Septimus 1907 and others.

Maryb.

Parents on the 1939 Register......

Laura Ruddock on the 1939 Register

(Same address as the 1911 census)

Bahshaw Household (3 People) 2 Morleys Yard, Walkersgate , Beverley M.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Laura Ruddock 11 Jul 1877 Unpaid Domestic Duties (Married)
***James Bahshaw 28 Aug 1876 General Labourer (Married) ***
Ronald Ruddock 05 Mar 1930 At School

***James Bahshaw is actually James Ruddock! ***

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Foster Laura Bridlington 9d 769
Ruddock James Bridlington 9d 769


Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
Ruddock Ronald Wilson Beverley 9d 132


Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)
RUDDOCK Thomas H Wilson Beverley 9d 228
Wilson Annie E Ruddock Beverley 9d 228

Florence appears as Gertrude F Cooper on the 1939 Register.....

Gertrude F Cooper on the 1939 Register

Haddlesey (Cooper) Household (8 People) 34 Greenwood Avenue , Beverley M.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Gertrude F Cooper 07 Jun 1908 Unpaid Domestic Duties (Married)
Audrey Haddlesey (Cooper) 28 Oct 1931 At School
Sorry, this record is officially closed. .
Margery (Margaret) Anscombe (Cooper) 07 Sep 1935 Under School Age
George A Cooper 03 Sep 1938 Under School Age
Frank Cooper 28 Aug 1903 Builders Labourer (Married)
Sorry, this record is officially closed. .
Alvyn (Alyn) Cooper 22 Jun 1930 At School


Florence Gertrude Cooper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Florence Gertrude Cooper
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1908
Date of Registration: Sep 1990
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Beverley
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 7
Page: 27

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RUDDOCK, FLORENCE GERTRUDE FOSTER Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in DRIFFIELD Volume 09D Page 365

1911
Name: Florance Gertrud Ruddock
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gardham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Beverley St Mary
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County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 2 Morleys Yard Walkergate Beverley
Registration district: Beverley
Registration District Number: 520
Sub-registration district: Beverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 28546
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ruddock 34
Laura Ruddock 32
Doris Margaret Ruddock 11
Annie Ruddock 9
Thomas Henry Ruddock 7
Lillie Ruddock 5
Florance Gertrud Ruddock 2
James Herbert Ruddock 10/12

parents married 12 years
6 children born, 1 died

1881 with father thomas
Name: James Ruddock
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas Ruddock
Mother: Ann Ruddock
Gender: Male
Where born: Amotherby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Amotherby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Malton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4811
Folio: 38
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ruddock 52
Ann Ruddock 49
Eliza Race 11
Harry Ruddock 7
James Ruddock 5
Margaret Ruddock 2


Name: Thomas Ruddock
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1831
Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1853
Marriage Place: New Malton, Yorkshire, England
Spouse: Mary Ann Spencer
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her father John Spencer
no father named for thomas

Name: Thomas Ruddock
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1830
Baptism Place: St. Michael's, New Malton, York, England
Mother: Ann Ruddock
FHL Film Number: 1068382

Hello!

Just posting on the off chance someone else may be investigating a similar part of my tree, I've hit a little bit of a wall. Planning to invest in some certificates soon.

I'm trying to follow my maternal grandmother's line back. Her name was Florence Gertrude Cooper (nee Ruddock), born 1908 in Driffield. I believe I've found her parents, James Ruddock and Laura Foster (although my Aunty swore blind Laura was a Bateman), and believe James's father was Thomas Ruddock, born 1829 in Malton (taking us out of East Yorks, into the North). I'm struggling to confirm his identity however, finding multiple names and not having enough evidence to lock down which one he is. Half the problem is districts/parishes which no longer exist, and having more than one modern equivalent which is equidistant to that location.

I have a similar issue with my grandfather's line, as he was a Cooper and obviously that's a pretty common name! It does look like we've stayed very much in Yorkshire and have a lot of farm labour. Just not quite sure what I can cross-refer now. Have I just reached the point where I need to buy the full certificates?

I've found a few tree matches which could reveal a lot, but most of the members seem to be dormant accounts - or just ignoring me, lol!

I've tried alternate sources - FindmyPast and YorkshireBMD which have helped quite a lot.

Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

Thank you,
Gemma