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Hi rootgatherer,

Oh Thank you sooooooo much you are a star :-D and given me lots to go on.

All the best

Wendy

There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Wallace to a Hugh Murphy in Nottingham. I'm wondering if this is her

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Household (1 Person)
County Hospital Kilton Hill , Worksop M.B., Nottinghamshire, England

Elizabeth Murphy Patient
DOB 15 Oct 1903
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 2
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 41
Ref: RG101/6249H/002/36 Letter Code: RNUD
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As it's only the descendants of Samuel and Sarah that your following, Elizabeth seems to be the only child of their son William with Lavinia.

More daughters!

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Marsden Household (5 People)
26 St Christopher Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England

Edward Marsden
DOB 03 Aug 1878
SEX Male
OCCUPATION General Lab Heavy Ks
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Lavinia Marsden
DOB 28 Sep 1880
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Housewife
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Lily Webster (Marsden)
DOB
? Dec ?
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Silk Winder
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Beatrice M (May) Bamford (Marsden)
DOB 29 Sep 1922
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Machinist
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

Elsie Ramsay (Marsden,Sallis)
DOB 20 Aug 1925
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Errands
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 5
Ref: RG101/6172F/010/24 Letter Code: RMEC
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Looks like William may have died leaving Lavinia free to marry Edward


First name(s) EDWARD
Last name MARSDEN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1915
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ EDWARD MARSDEN married
Lavinia Owen
Spouse's last name Owen
District Nottingham
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 1026
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Looks like a possible 3 daughters born between 1915 and 1920

Another son?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MARSDEN, GEORGE OWEN Order
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 660

MARSDEN, THOMAS OWEN Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 407

WALLIS, ELIZABETH OWEN Order
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 304

Oops, missed some of that

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
OWEN, EDWARD MARSDEN - Order
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 366

Registered in mother's maiden surname

MARSDEN -
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 366

Firstly, yes I think you have the correct birth for William. Perhaps Samuel registered his birth and gave Sarah's previous married name (Mellors) as her maiden surname rather than Mottershaw.

I have a look for Edwards birth.

"1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34 Lake Yard Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Edward Marsden Head Single Male General Labourer 32 1879 Nottingham
Lavinia Wallace - Married Female Lace Dresser 28 1883 Nottingham
Elisibeth Wallace - - Female - 5 1906 Nottingham
Edward Marsden - - Male - 4 1907 Nottingham
Thomas Marsden - - Male - 1 1910 Nottingham"

Thomas Marsden was Lavina's son and cannot find a birth for Edward.

Hi rootgatherer,

Thank you for all the info, don't worry to much abt the Mottershaw and Lambert's it the Wallis's I do at the moment but will keep all that info for when I do them.

So going back to the Samuel and Sarah Wallis's children I found on the GRO site a William Wallis born Sept 1880 but mother's surname down as Mellor's cannot find a marriage between a Wallis and Mellors so maybe this is the son of my Samuel and Sarah what do you think.

Wendy

Well not a stepfather's name


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Long Eaton, Sawley, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England

John Lambert Male 65 1776 Derbyshire, England
Jane Lambert Female 65 1776 Derbyshire, England
Mary Lees Female 25 1816 -

Print transcription
First name(s) John
Last name Lambert
Name note -
Marriage year 1794
Marriage date 1794
Marriage place Sawley
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Rushton
Residence Sawley, Derbyshire, England
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Maybe?


First name(s) John
Last name Lambert
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1773
Baptism date 25 Jul 1773
Place Sawley and Long Eaton
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Lambert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Sometimes women claimed to be a spinster if the first husband was still alive and they couldn't afford a divorce but in Sarah's case William seems to have died. Two of my great grandfathers claimed that they were bachelors when they married for a second time but, in fact, both were widowers with a child from their first marriages. Perhaps it was the way the registrar asked the question.

I wonder if I have found the correct marriage for William Mottershaw as Hannah's maiden surname on the children's births is definitely Lambert so either she had been married previously or Fletcher was a stepfather's surname.

That explains it all good work rootsgatherer,on the marriage to Samuel Wallis she is down as a spinster wonder why she did that instead of say she was a widow.

Thank you so much for all your help

All the best

Wendy

Hannah
Last name Lambert
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1808
Baptism date 04 Feb 1808
Place Sawley and Long Eaton
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Lambert
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

The Coe family are a different household.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Place, Radford, Radford Union, Nottinghamshire, England

William Mottishaw Male 30 1811 -
Hannah Mottishaw Female 30 1811 -
Thomas Mottishaw Male 6 1835 Nottinghamshire, England
Catherine Mottishaw Female 3 1838 Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah Coe Female 35 1806 -
William Coe Male 5 1836 Ireland
Allice Coe Female 3 1838 -
Ann Coe Female 1 1840 -