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Thanks argyllgran
For your help, his mother was the Mary Ann Grieve, from the blue stane house, Crail ,Fife ,so think we are on the right Frank Robert Grieve

Frank Robert Grieve born 1899/1900 married on Iola Clark Grieve
In Wellington ,Ontario on 1965 voters list , age 65
Can anyone else give any more information,family? Date died? Let me know what to do next to get more information, looked at census stops 1912 ? As confidentiality ? thanks regards Helen

Helen -
You asked if there was any family listed with Frank and Iola on the ER.

No - but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have any family.
If Frank was born 1899 and Iola in 1906 (per the ages given in the 1950 travel record), then they were 66 and 59 by 1965.
Any children could have left home by then.

Having said that, I can't see any births of children for them, from what's available with a Worldwide (or whatever they call it) sub on ancestry.ca

And please remember, we don't know if this is your Frank or not.

So Frank & Iola (note Iola not Lola) were on the UK incoming passenger list Sept.1952 and out going Oct.1952. Had they perhaps returned for a family funeral?

Unfortunately Canadian incoming passenger lists don't go up to 1952. I actually emigrated to Canada as a child in 1952. I'm on the UK outgoing passenger list but there's no incoming Canadian list.

On the 1963 voter's list Frank is a trucker and Iola a lab tech. In 1965 he's a carpenter and she's a lab tech.

Hi Argyllgran gran , sounds like the voters list you found for Frank Grieve and Lola Clark Grieve might be him , too similar, farmer etc, never said if any family in that voting list did it? Thanks a lot

Further to mgnv's post above:

The groom in the1934 marriage to Agnes is not your Frank, but we don't know if the Frank married to Iola is yours or not.

Confirming AG's guess that it's not your Frank:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GRIEVE Frank Robertson GILLIGAN Agnes Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/393/42

The woman's name is Iola, not Lola.

I don't know if her husband is "your" Frank or not.
Can't find a marriage for them.

Can't find deaths for either of them.

As already posted, they were in Wellington, Ontario in 1965.
Ontario deaths more recent than 1937 are not available online.

So Munro , Ontario ,great what you have found out, wondered when he died? You mentioned a Frank Grieve and a Lola Grieve, is that him too ?

By what you have found should have said

If that is indeed your man, Helen, I don't believe that he remained in Montreal, he just disembarked there but was heading to Munro, Ontario.

Also latest Canadian census is 1921 so not much help.

Thanks argyllgran, Margaretm,so he maybe went to Canada, but what you have found, wonder if married to this Lola? How to I get into death records for Canada, Montreal / Quebec?
How do I get into Canadian census ? Thanks very helpful
Helen

Frank Grieve of Kilrenny returned to Canada in 1930, leaving Greenock on 10 May, heading for Quebec on Duchess of Atholl. [EDIT: 23/7/17 - Just noticed you've already posted this, MargaretM.]

Sorry, using my tablet and haven't got the hang of copying and pasting on it!

EDIT:
Also from Greenock to Montreal in 1950, farmer Frank Grieve 1899, East Gilston Mains, Leven, Fife. With wife (?) Iola, 44. Arrived Liverpool in Sept, left Oct.

Wife is Iola Clark Grieve.

Per voters lists, Iola (lab tech) and Frank (carpenter) in Wellington, Ontario in 1965.

Don't know if this is the right Frank or not. No middle initial, so maybe not.

That looks good, MargaretM.

I don,t see a marriage or death for him in Scotland.

There's a 1934 marriage between a Frank R Grieve and an Agnes Gilligan in Manchester, but that's probably Frank Robertson Grieve, born Chorlton 1908.

Is this him returning to Scotland? H's heading to Kilrenny, Anstruther, Fife. Says last permanent residence was USA.


Frank Robert Grieve
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Birth Date:
abt 1899
Age:
29
Port of Departure:
Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date:
27 Oct 1928
Port of Arrival:
Liverpool, England
Ship Name:
Duchess of Atholl

I couldn't find him on any US census.

What about this one arriving in Montreal in 1930? He gives name of nearest relative as mother Mrs. Mary Ann Grieve, Kilrenny, Anstruther, Fife. Going to join friend Mr. Currellay, RR1, Munro, Ontario.


Frank Grieve
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Age:
30
Birth Year:
abt 1900
Birth Country:
Scotland
Date of Arrival:
17 May 1930
Vessel:
Duchess of Atholl
Port of Arrival:
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure:
Greenock, Scotland

That's what we've been looking for, Helen, but not finding anything after 1923, I'm afraid.

We've posted the earlier records just because they came up while we were searching, and in case they gave us any clues.

Frank Robert Grieve born 1900 , in Cameron , Fife is the man who I'm trying to get information on , will be deceased now

Hi , think I have got his fathers date wrong , David grieve 1867 should have said, and brother David 1893 , thanks for all the information,
I know the address he went to , stayed at John Brown 319 E.86 th Street, years ago I wrote a letter to that address , a long shot I know,got no where ?
The Canadian census in 1925 don't think that's him ,says Canadian , he was Scottish, only went there in 1923 on SS Columbia
Looked on Ellis Island got information on him arriving
Wonder how I could find out if he married? Had any family , death certificate, my family and I will maybe get someone who does genealogy to help us, unless all you helpful people can find out more , thanks again Helen